For most stalks, I just drive a nail into the base diagonally, using a claw hammer, right there in the field. My pre-punctured Tyvek name tag is placed onto the nail prior to driving it.
Bob
Bob
Deluxestogie Grow Log 2020
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Differences in the Indonesian Varieties I am Growing from Timor-Leste
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I am attempting to produce seed (for @Tutu) from three Indonesian varieties:Sumba Liquiça, Sumba Viqueque and Ainaro, all three from Timor-Leste. In 2017, @Tutu noted that while most of the Indonesian varieties he had grown produced sessile leaf, the Ainaro, from Timor-Leste, showed distinct, long petioles.
[forget about Indonesia in this discussion. I was incorrect in my initial post. If you squint, you can find Viqueque on the map above. Liquiça is on the coast about 20 miles west of Dili.]
This season, I have only 2 Ainaro and 1 Liquiça growing in the field, and a single Viqueque in a pot. My general impression was that all three of these were what @Tutu has labeled dark sun-cured. The Ainaro is clearly a distinct variety from the other two, and resembles Samsun or Bafra more than typical Indonesian varieties. Its light color argues against its being an N. rustica cross, though that doesn't rule it out.
A further difference is that the Liquiça, though not beginning to form a bud head, has produced a sucker at nearly every leaf axil, pretty much simultaneously.
With only two instances of Ainaro for me to play with, I may try sun-curing one (if there is any sun by the time I can harvest it), and air-curing plus kilning the other. The Timor-Leste Ainaro may, in fact, be an Oriental (or Oriental hybrid) from the Samsun family. The leaf is currently larger than that of Samsun, and is more spade-shaped than heart-shaped.
Bob
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I am attempting to produce seed (for @Tutu) from three Indonesian varieties:
[forget about Indonesia in this discussion. I was incorrect in my initial post. If you squint, you can find Viqueque on the map above. Liquiça is on the coast about 20 miles west of Dili.]
This season, I have only 2 Ainaro and 1 Liquiça growing in the field, and a single Viqueque in a pot. My general impression was that all three of these were what @Tutu has labeled dark sun-cured. The Ainaro is clearly a distinct variety from the other two, and resembles Samsun or Bafra more than typical Indonesian varieties. Its light color argues against its being an N. rustica cross, though that doesn't rule it out.
A further difference is that the Liquiça, though not beginning to form a bud head, has produced a sucker at nearly every leaf axil, pretty much simultaneously.
With only two instances of Ainaro for me to play with, I may try sun-curing one (if there is any sun by the time I can harvest it), and air-curing plus kilning the other. The Timor-Leste Ainaro may, in fact, be an Oriental (or Oriental hybrid) from the Samsun family. The leaf is currently larger than that of Samsun, and is more spade-shaped than heart-shaped.
Bob
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ChinaVoodoo
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I've never seen a photo of N. tabacum that petiolate before. Cool.
@ChinaVoodoo has courteously reminded me that:
1. Timor-Leste is not part of Indonesia.
2. All three of the varieties I'm growing for @Tutu this year came from Timor-Leste, and none from Sumba.
Here is @Tutu's 2016 adventures in Timor-Leste. It's a fascinating read (again).
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I've made corrections in the previous post (including deleting the "Indonesia" map with Sumba). Sumba was a different trip.
Bob
1. Timor-Leste is not part of Indonesia.
2. All three of the varieties I'm growing for @Tutu this year came from Timor-Leste, and none from Sumba.
Here is @Tutu's 2016 adventures in Timor-Leste. It's a fascinating read (again).
Timor-Leste Grow Log
Hi everyone at Fair Trade Tobacco, I am new to the forum. I have been browsing around here a bit for the last few weeks. Fair Trade Tobacco is a huge network and knowledge base. I am very enthusiastic, especially about the grow logs. I do not have a lot of growing experience myself yet, but I...
I've made corrections in the previous post (including deleting the "Indonesia" map with Sumba). Sumba was a different trip.
Bob
Wow! Finally a holiday.
With all the recent discussion of killing deer, I managed to kill my Oh Deere! lawn tractor today. No weapon involved. After using my car to jump-start the lawn tractor battery that I purchased in May, I was able to mow ¾ of the back yard, which is about ¼ of the whole lawn. The cheap-ass, pot metal steering gears wore themselves down to nubs--again.
It's September. Do I squander a shopping bag full of money for another mower now? Or do I squander a half-shopping bag of money having the Oh Deere! people tell vacuous jokes to one another in their shop, as they install another set of cheap-ass, pot metal steering gears? It took them 2½ weeks to replace two blades on it this spring. ("Let's see. $40 per hour times 2½ weeks. That'll comes to... Well, you owe us your first born.")
And for what? Totally useless grass. Though it does help support the nice old guy that picks up and returns lawn tractors to their customers. Probably minimum wage. He proudly showed me photos on his phone, the last time he brought my Oh Deere! back.
If you need grass clippings, you can have any that you cut for free.
Bob
It's September. Do I squander a shopping bag full of money for another mower now? Or do I squander a half-shopping bag of money having the Oh Deere! people tell vacuous jokes to one another in their shop, as they install another set of cheap-ass, pot metal steering gears? It took them 2½ weeks to replace two blades on it this spring. ("Let's see. $40 per hour times 2½ weeks. That'll comes to... Well, you owe us your first born.")
And for what? Totally useless grass. Though it does help support the nice old guy that picks up and returns lawn tractors to their customers. Probably minimum wage. He proudly showed me photos on his phone, the last time he brought my Oh Deere! back.
If you need grass clippings, you can have any that you cut for free.
Bob
ChinaVoodoo
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Can you lease your lawn to a neighbour to grow or graze?
ChinaVoodoo
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Preliminary observations. So far, it seems Viqueque does not sun cure the same as Delhi-34. It yellows slower. It dries significantly faster. The result is not yellow.
Any cigar taste in the Viqueque?
Bob
Bob
ChinaVoodoo
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I only smoked an on-the-plant cured lug. I didn't pick up any cigar notes. Closest thing to it was store bought semois. I'll take one of my new leaves to work tonight and give that a try.
I'm really hoping to get some smokable leaf from the Ainaro. I believe that is a truly unique variety.
Bob
Bob
GreenDragon
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Maybe give up on a mechanical solution and get a few goats or sheep?
Fence.
ChinaVoodoo
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Touché.
GreenDragon
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LOL yes they are notorious escape artists! Living on the edge of farm country I've seen sheep, goats, and Longhorns wandering the neighborhood.
My next door neighbor's son used to raise goats, but since he finished his degree, he moved away, and sold his goats. But you actually need both grazers (sheep) and browsers (goats) together, in order to keep both the grass and the weeds clipped. And then they need a shed of some kind, various immunizations, hoof care, nutrition supplements and a bit of shovel work. They need hay and grain in the winter. And their veterinarian bills paid. The sheep need clipping (unless they are Soay), and they both need regular worming, and.... You have to have a better reason for raising them than just saving the cost and labor of lawn care.
Bob
Bob
Amberbeth84
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You're absolutely right, Bob. Livestock are never labor or cost saving. They just give you a whole new set of chores and responsibilities. For some people, like me, the trade off makes sense, but I don't delude myself that my chicken and eggs are going to be cheaper by raising them myself. It just means I have more control over my food supply from start to finish.
Same reason I'm planning to grow my own tobacco and apples for cider. If you have a vice, make it a labor of love. That's my philosophy.
Same reason I'm planning to grow my own tobacco and apples for cider. If you have a vice, make it a labor of love. That's my philosophy.
GreenDragon
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I hear ya! The only reason I have a lawn is the HOA rules require it. They don’t say anything about the back yard though, so. a few years ago I had 4 CY of river rock delivered. I put my push mower on its lowest setting and scalped the grass as low as I could. Then I put down a layer of weed block and spread the rock over it. Now I have zero maintenance in the back yard, and it only takes 10 minutes to mow the front. Don’t have to mow, fertilize, weed etc.
ChinaVoodoo
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How do you clean the rock?
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