EBOLA......''your thoughts''

[Chicken]

i believe this is something we as a group need to discuss....

some may recall me mentioning i was in the military,,,and some may recall reading what my job was,,,,

a NUCLEAR...BIOLOGICAL... CHEMICAL specialist....

ubola would fall under the biological part of my job.

ubola is in the top 3 of the most deadliest viruses on the planet. ranking right up there with polio... seeing something like this, and what it could become....makes you look at guy's that do DOOMSDAY PREPPING ....as what ? some smart guy's. instead of a bunch of nut's,????

if youve ever read STEPHEN KING'S book '' THE STAND''...... this could easily make that book. be a real life senario...[ the movie does the book no justice ]

my friends i will tell you this..... hope for the best but '' prepare'' for the worst... and take note of the word '' prepare''

it seems like '' daily'' we hear of the virus jumping up. at different places in the states...

have a plan......dont let this catch you with your pants down..

ive been following this... way before it actually landed in the u.s.

because i knew that the globe isnt so big anymore,,,, people can move about it very easily and quicklly....just as i followed s.a.r.s. when it was showing it's face.... but s.a.r.s. dont have a mortality rate like UBOLA does....and ubola is unoticable, until your damn near dead from it...

it's like dynomite..... you know the fuse is burning... but nothing happens, until the last second. then thiers a big boom...

sort of like some people i know of that have died from lung cancer.... about the time they are bad off enough to go and get looked at. and get diagnosed.... it aint much later they die.

so far ive discussed it with my parents. on having a plan. and i think they dont believe it could get bad....

the ol' '' it could never happen here '' mentality...

 

[Cigar]

I agree Chicken alot with what you say there friend ..most people I know also waits until it "bites them" before they pay any mind to rest of the worlds problems.also about your job in Army thats the same unit my oldest son trained with 6+years when he joine Army trained at FT.Littlewood MO..but at that time they said they needed him more in the MP units in overseas areas..and the Lung cancer scares me alot after losing close friend few years ago at work 20+ co-worker both of us been heavy smokers one-day felt bad pain in back like pulled muscle went to ER that nite and was dead in 3-weeks no warning signs at all.

Cigar

 

[Gdaddy]

DON'T EAT the BATS ! I'd leave those on the salad bar.

There is another possible case in Washington was mentioned today. With the amount of people coming in and out of this country I'm surprised it took this long to get here. Big discussion on NPR today. Basically said the following from Wiki...

"body fluids with ebola virus include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen. Entry points include the nose, mouth, eyes, or open wounds, cuts and abrasions. The potential for widespread EVD infections is considered low as the disease is only spread by direct contact with the secretions from someone who is showing signs of infection. The symptoms limit a person's ability to spread the disease as they are often too sick to travel."

I don't know if you've seen these...

Richard Preston's 1995 best-selling book, The Hot Zone, dramatized the Ebola outbreak in Reston, Virginia.


William Close's 1995 Ebola: A Documentary Novel of Its First Explosion and 2002 Ebola: Through the Eyes of the People focused on individuals' reactions to the 1976 Ebola outbreak in Zaire.


Tom Clancy's 1996 novel, Executive Orders, involves a Middle Eastern terrorist attack on the United States using an airborne form of a deadly Ebola virus strain named "Ebola Mayinga".

 

[dvick003]

I am not a doomsday prepper but I am a prepper as far as taking care of my family is concerned. This type of virus is so deadly and it could mutate to a form transmitted by air eventually couldn't it? If that is possible, it will not be pretty.

 

[charles]

It is pretty clear the goverment is lying about...well almost everything,Ebola as well...the fact that the goverment is not acting to error on the side of saftey is suicidal, and revealing,as is the fact we as a people trust our goverment, and don't demand our borders are shut down.and realistic protocols are put in place for immigration and travel......our goverment has lied to us countless times and thousands upon thousands have died as a result...personally i find the political class of america and the people in the shadows who own them to be the single largest threat to the peace,prosperity,and saftey of the American people. I find the preppers to be better informed than the vast majority of Americans on almost everything...politics,economics,American history, and law.Our borders are being left wide open so the political and bussiness class can profit on the chaos it creates and the idea of a nation of laws can be replaced by a nation of lawyers.In short I don't trust the goverment at all, and i find them sinister and evil,and I thinkit may be time tohead for the hills.

 

[Brown Thumb]

We all Die. But never know when. Until the last breath.

 

[FmGrowit]

Don’t Worry? 9 Quotes From Experts Promising That Ebola Will Not Be A Problem In America

#1 Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases: "We feel confident that there won't be an outbreak."

#2 University of Chicago professor Michael Z. David: "While this all sounds very frightening, there's no need to worry at this point about Ebola spreading widely here."

#3 Gerardo Chowell-Puente, an associate professor of mathematical epidemiology at the School of Human Evolution and Social Change at Arizona State University: "Math and history show us that decisive efforts to isolate those who are infected with Ebola and to follow up quickly with the potential contacts of the infected can help to get an outbreak under control. We're lucky that we have such capacities in the United States; even with the Ebola case in Dallas, the epidemic should not get much of a foothold here."

#4 Texas Health Director David Lakey: "This is a very sophisticated city, a very sophisticated hospital … and the chances of it being spread are very, very scarce."

#5 Zachary Thompson, director of Dallas County Health & Human Services: "This is not Africa. We have a great infrastructure to deal with an outbreak."

#6 Dr. William Shaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center: "We're very prepared: Infection-control people in hospitals over the past two months have been reviewing all their infection- control procedures because we anticipated just this sort of thing happening—a person coming from West Africa, they were healthy at the time they traveled, but got sick here."

#7 Thomas Frieden, the director of the CDC: "It is certainly possible that someone who has had contact with this patient could develop Ebola, but there is no doubt in my mind that we will stop it here."

#8 Dr. William Shaffner: "Even Doctors Without Borders in West Africa are moving the fatality rate from 50 percent down to 30 percent—I bet we can do substantially better than that here."

#9 Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine and professor at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston: "The Ebola virus is not easily transmitted from person to person, and we have an outstanding infrastructure in place both to contain the virus and trace contacts. There will not be an Ebola epidemic in the United States."

#10 Chris Matthews: Yeah, yeah, but I'm just going back to the president's statement, doctor, and that is that the president said it would be unlikely if we had a case in this country. Unlikely to even have one case.

#11 Barack Obama, If you like you doctor you can keep your doctor...PERIOD.

#12 Don Carey, Be frightened my friends, by very very frightened.

 

[FmGrowit]

The CDC has already revised the meaning of contagious to "within three feet of an infected person".

The fact of the matter is...when a person sneezes or coughs, microscopic particles on saliva become airborne. You are at risk if you breathe in these particles of infected saliva.

Remember the two doctors who were brought back to the US for treatment for Ebola? They got it even while using all kinds of protective gear.

 

[Knucklehead]

Brought to you by the people that force you to flush 2.5 gals. four times instead of 5 gals. one time. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.

 

[charles]

tru dat.1) you can keep your doctor
2) the border is secure
3) behngahzi was reaction to an obscure youtube video(whose maker was sent to prison for)
4) The computer crashsed....all six of them, and we can't retrive any files.
5) JFK was assassinated by lee harvey oswald.
This list is to too long to write, the fact is we have become numb to the lies we are told because there are so many, and contemplating the level of betrayl is so overwhelming.Dead Americans are an acceptable level of political blow back...fast and furious,bengahzi,and now we have American children getting ill, and even a couple dying due to a virus most likely brought in from the illegal aliens, from central america the goverment bussed all over the country without the peoples knowledge..

 

[FmGrowit]

OK, let's not make this too political.

The government tells you what they want you to know...it's not necessarily the truth.

We have every right to be distrustful of what we are being told. An ebola outbreak in the US is the last thing the current office holders need just before an election.

 

[ArizonaDave]

OK, let's not make this too political.

The government tells you what they want you to know...it's not necessarily the truth.

We have every right to be distrustful of what we are being told. An ebola outbreak in the US is the last thing the current office holders need just before an election.

Only IF they have an election? LOL, just kidding around Don.

 

[ArizonaDave]

Brought to you by the people that force you to flush 2.5 gals. four times instead of 5 gals. one time. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.

Hahaha! I'm laughing at this because we have one of those "smart" toilets. I preferred the "one flush fits all"

 

[Chicken]

the phrase i keep hearing is '' WE WILL STOP IT IN IT'S TRACKS''......

my plan is to isolate. deep in the swamp....with my bow..not a gun. a bow. and a fishing pole,

if it comes down to that.

 

[Grumpa]

Wow, a lot of hysteria and misinformation here. Personally, Ebola does not scare me much because it is not a true airborne disease. What bothers me is the thought of an influenza pandemic ala the "Spanish Flu" of 1918. With the small world we have now due to globalization, a true airborne high mortality rate disease like influenza would be very difficult to control.

Grumpa

 

[Knucklehead]

We'll all have the answer shortly ... I'll bet a home rolled cigar that Bob is researching his ass off right now.

 

[Cigar]

Great answer there Knucklehead! I always said 'good ol' stiff drink and great cigar' could always fix just about anything!

Cigar

 

[deluxestogie]

No research here, Knucks. You owe me a home-rolled cigar.

Ebola is contagious in close proximity. An ebola epidemic is the result of poor infrastructure, poor sanitation, misinformation and fear. Consider that a traveler from west Africa brought ebola into Nigeria. Even Nigeria had sufficient infrastructure to prevent it from becoming epidemic.

Cholera is much more easily spread than ebola, but it is also an epidemic that must rely on poor infrastructure and poor sanitation. A cholera pandemic has been spreading across the world for the past 25 years, but stops at the borders of developed countries.

There are cases of bubonic plague in the US every year. Individual cases. A plague epidemic is dependent on poor infrastructure and poor sanitation, so you don't see plague epidemics in the US. The victims just get treated, and survive quite well, thank you.

A major contributor to the ebola epidemic in west Africa is the paranoid distrust of health authorities. (Hmmm. Sounds oddly familiar.) People there continued to engage in the ritual of touching the body of a dead love one at the funerals, despite being told that it spreads ebola. Ebola victims frequently flee from the hospitals, and return to their villages to hide. Health education teams (trying to inform people about how to avoid ebola) have been attacked and killed. Rural people believe their government is causing the epidemic intentionally. These countries have not had the money to provide sufficient protective equipment for all their health workers in contact with ebola. It's a vicious cycle, and attributable to a general lack of economic development and education.

So, rather than claiming to have more accurate knowledge than those who have dedicated their lives to studying diseases and how they spread, perhaps we should all just relax and have a good home-rolled smoke. Localized occurrences of ebola may occur. An epidemic of ebola in the US or any other well developed country is improbable.

Bob

 

[Knucklehead]

No research here, Knucks. You owe me a home-rolled cigar.

Bob

Just put it on my tab, thanks.

 

[Jitterbugdude]

Ebola is a lipid coated virus. There are many viruses that are lipid coated. West Nile, Cytomegalorvirus, Herpes, New Castle's Disease, swine and chicken (anything with an "H" and "N" in it such as H1N5 flu). The common food preservative BHT destroys lipid coated viruses. When someone catches the flu, the body's response is to increase chemicals called cytokines. There are many, many different cytokines. These are released in order to fight the infection but the problem is that often times the patient dies from a "cytokine storm" where the body goes berserk and increases its levels of cytokines so much that it kills the patient.

Researchers have noted that with Ebola, there is the typical rise in cytokines but they have noted that the best mortality predictor is the rise in cytokines IL-10 and IL-1Ra. Others rise such as IL-6 but only the previously 2 mentioned seem to predict death.

So, along comes Vitamin C. At a minimum dose of 1500mg it has the ability to prevent the rise in IL-10 and IL-1Ra.

So, your game plan for preventing and/or fighting Ebola or any other lipid coated virus is to consume about 1gram of BHT per day and about 2 grams of Vitamin C about 4 times per day since it is water soluble.

BHT taken at 1g per day is completely non toxic. If you do any research at all on BHT take note of anyone/study claiming that it is toxic. You will notice that those people/studies cite doses of 20 to 80 grams per day.