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Howdy Y'all!

I was just perusing seedman.com/Tobacco.htm and noticed that he is selling Habano2000 & Criollo98 seeds. What I wondering is if these are the real McCoy? I guess the only way to tell is buying a couple of packs and finding out. Now I'll I need is some Cameroon seeds and I'll be in 7th heaven! Actually Cameroon is Indonesian Sumatra, so it must be the soil found in the Cameroon region that imparts its flavor.

Anybody got any thoughts? Anybody on the forum got these seeds for sale?
 

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Chuck- I got mine from Sky - http://northwoodseeds.com/multi-packs.htm. I bought all 5 multi paks. If you only need a few, I have some left over. He sends about 300 per variety. Let me know. I'm growing these out for the FTT seed bank. These are the Cuban Criollo 98, not the Brazilian. Also the Habano 2000.
 

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Howdy Don,

They say a picture speaks a thousand words, so I guess that's 2,000 thousands words worth! LOL! Actually, I plan on take you up on the 3 1/2 lbs wrapper deal and getting a few pounds of the filler. I just can't decide which one I should go with - Dominican or Nicaraguan? I enjoyed the dominican samples I got with my last order. I have to wait until cutting and baling hay is finished and that probably won't start until next weekend. Something always goes wrong - You can bet on that!
 

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Chuck- I got mine from Sky - http://northwoodseeds.com/multi-packs.htm. I bought all 5 multi paks. If you only need a few, I have some left over. He sends about 300 per variety. Let me know. I'm growing these out for the FTT seed bank. These are the Cuban Criollo 98, not the Brazilian. Also the Habano 2000.

Howdy Knucks,

Thanks for the quick response! I'll send you a pm with all my particulars.

Thanks, Chuck.
 

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Howdy Y'all!

I was just perusing seedman.com/Tobacco.htm and noticed that he is selling Habano2000 & Criollo98 seeds. What I wondering is if these are the real McCoy? I guess the only way to tell is buying a couple of packs and finding out. Now I'll I need is some Cameroon seeds and I'll be in 7th heaven! Actually Cameroon is Indonesian Sumatra, so it must be the soil found in the Cameroon region that imparts its flavor.

Anybody got any thoughts? Anybody on the forum got these seeds for sale?

lol He got them from me. They are from last years crop and both had excellent germ rates.

http://nwtseeds.com/cuban_criollo_98.htm
http://nwtseeds.com/habano_2000.htm

:)
 

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From the links above: Habano 2000 is derived from a crossing between the variety Corojo and a non commercial variety of Cuban dark tobacco, the Habano 2.1.1, from which is derived its resistance to the Gray Mold. Grown in direct sun. it reaches an average height of 6 feet with 14-16 leaves per plant. In very rich soils it can develop up to 18 leaves per plant. Sun grown plants are often used as a binder or filler. Grown under a shade cloths, Habano 2000 makes an excellent wrapper. Cuban Criollo 98 is one of the most valued strains for Cuban cigars. It originated from a crossing between the varieties ' Havana 92' and `Habana P.R'. Cultivated in the sun it produces from 14 to 16 useful leaves per plant and makes an excellent binder. It reaches an average height of 6 feet. Leaves average 24 inches in length and 12 inches wide. It is resistant to the Blue Mold, the Blackish Paw and the Tobacco Mosaic Virus and moderately resistant to the Environmental Necrosis.
 

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Howdy SkyChaser,

Good to know! How did you grow them - full sun, partial shade, etc? How did the leaf roll and taste? Any chance at getting Cameroon seed for next year? Maybe a couple of cubic yards of Cameroon top soil too? LOL!

Thanx, Chuck.

They were grown in full sun along with every thing else. I gave away most of the leaf. I have a couple strings hanging in my barn somewhere but I haven't tried it.

I don't have any Cameroon seed or dirt, but I do have several new Caribbean and Central American tobaccos growing this year. With a little luck I will have seed available in the fall.
 

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From the links above: Habano 2000 is derived from a crossing between the variety Corojo and a non commercial variety of Cuban dark tobacco, the Habano 2.1.1, from which is derived its resistance to the Gray Mold. Grown in direct sun. it reaches an average height of 6 feet with 14-16 leaves per plant. In very rich soils it can develop up to 18 leaves per plant. Sun grown plants are often used as a binder or filler. Grown under a shade cloths, Habano 2000 makes an excellent wrapper. Cuban Criollo 98 is one of the most valued strains for Cuban cigars. It originated from a crossing between the varieties ' Havana 92' and `Habana P.R'. Cultivated in the sun it produces from 14 to 16 useful leaves per plant and makes an excellent binder. It reaches an average height of 6 feet. Leaves average 24 inches in length and 12 inches wide. It is resistant to the Blue Mold, the Blackish Paw and the Tobacco Mosaic Virus and moderately resistant to the Environmental Necrosis.

Howdy Knucks,

Good research! Thats pretty much what I have read. To add to what you have. Here's some info on Habano2000:
The Habano 2000 plant is supposedly a cross between Cuban-seed and Connecticut Shade. This wrapper was extremely popular in the 90's but is being used less frequently. The origin of the cigar is that it originally was developed in Cuba, hence its initial popularity. It was first grown outside of Cuba by Nestor Plasencia. I find that the H2000 wrappers taste musty and earthy, and are way thicker than Connecticut Shade, but not quite as thick as the Broadleaf. This wrapper is mostly grown in Nicaragua, Honduras and Ecuador. I find H2000 wrapped cigars often do not burn evenly.
[h=4]Other Versions[/h]
  • Ecuadorian Habano - found on the Cienfuegos cigar from Puros Indios.
  • Honduran Habano - rich and creamy, when grown in Honduras the H2000 wrapper appears to be a bit thinner, yielding fewer combustion problems than when grown in other countries. Try the Carlos Torano Exodus 1959.
  • Nicaraguan Habano - a richer fuller-bodied flavor with the Nicaraguan-grown type, try the Alec Bradley Maxx, the Gran Habano #3, or the Montecristo H2000 to get a good feel for this wrapper.

I personally like the Habano From Nub and Romeo Y Julieta, these are two of my favorites. Combustion problems?? I wonder what the other combustion problems were?

Here's the link: http://cigarinspector.com/cigar-wrappers-a-z/habano-2000
 

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How tall does a H 2000 get grown under shade?
Should be about 6’. The descriptions on the tobacco shouldn’t change a whole lot unless there are naturally occurring problems that affect the growing cycle. Just from the description what you can gather with the limited information is that the leaves are spaced far apart, because you’re only getting 14-16 leaves per plant, possibly 18 while others it’s size are producing 20-26, some at 5’+. So Habano 2000 wouldn’t really be a high production strain, but what makes it worthwhile is it’s versatility. It’s been sun grown, shade grown, it’s usually a filler but also serves as a binder and even a wrapper. So in a pinch, if you could only grow a few strains this should be in consideration as one of them. What I can gather from rolling with it is that the Central American countries must have a considerably high lime content in their soil, most of the leaves are on the smaller side compared to a broadleaf or burley type.
 

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I have never grown Habana 2000. It is a cross from other common Cuban Habano types. Since "days to maturity" depends on many interacting factors, I consider it to be an imaginary value. I've found that the very same variety produces a different number of days to maturity each season. The published numbers for a variety are derived from a single (or at most 3) test planting in a single year in a single location under the weather conditions of that specific year. So my opinion is that "days to maturity" is of little value in selecting a variety to grow in a specific region.

In general, I estimate about 60 days ± 10 days from transplant to maturity for most tobacco varieties. Because germination to transplant is half the duration of a total grow, "days to maturity" is even less useful than we imagine.

Bob
 

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Pretend million dollar question...ready? Does the list on the nws site reflect what is currently available? Does it need updated? What will be available possibly soon but not quite yet? For example, criollo 98 and dominican olor are listed but not corojo 99.
 

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Pretend million dollar question...ready? Does the list on the nws site reflect what is currently available? Does it need updated? What will be available possibly soon but not quite yet? For example, criollo 98 and dominican olor are listed but not corojo 99.
1. Yes, everything listed is available.
2. Yes, the site needs updating. Wanna job? Everything not listed on my website is listed here. https://fairtradetobacco.com/threads/tobacco-seed-for-sale.3789/post-145338
I added Corojo 99, Virginia 16 and a Tobaccum/Rustica cross in 2019 after I posted this list but the FTT server won't let me edit it.
3. Nothing new for 2020. But this year I will be adding Little Yellow and Cuban Pieate (sp) Right now they are still in the field and should be available in late November or December
 

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I babysit felons for a living. I'm not knowledgable in the computer programming or website design area or I would probably update it for you.
 
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