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ciennepi
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Ever if rolled without a mold your cigars are super smooth. This is strange because you wrapper and binder seems on thw dry side in the video. Can you tell me some hint about the correct case? I have the binder in medium case and the wrapper high case near soggy but my freehand cigars come out all wrinkled. Do you press the wrapper an binder under some weight to make them more smooth? Thank you.
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You have to develop a feel for the driest each leaf can be and then let your hands do the magic.
My wrapper is dry to the touch. It's what I call "fluffy," because it feels that way. It has an airy, pillowy quality to it when it is ready. It has fully absorbed the moisture in the casing bag, the cells have expanded, and now it is supple, completely pliable, with zero excess moisture, not at all damp to the touch. Same with the binders. When your leaves are like this, they will do whatever you want them to do. The only thing I do to the filler is, I only make cigars when the RH is 60+. Then the filler will be dry but flexible. My leaf never gets anywhere near damp or soggy. I use very fine misting and a plastic bag.
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Tell us b how, after you tube, you compress (mold) the filler and, how you, after binding (with two leaves), fortifying the molding by press/roll the doll.
ciennepi
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Excuse me MarcL but I'm not able to understand your post and neither if It's a question for me or for waikikigun. What is the "doll"? If you will know my procedure of rolling it is: take the filler in low case almost crumbling an with entubado method made the bunch; take two binder half leavs in medium case and made the tube; apply a high case-soggy wrapper and made a cuban triple cap.
The problem is that the lamina of wrapper and binder is nice plane BUT the veins are all wrinkled. Perhaps they would be store carefully one over the other like the pages of a book?
The problem is that the lamina of wrapper and binder is nice plane BUT the veins are all wrinkled. Perhaps they would be store carefully one over the other like the pages of a book?
When the filler is enclosed within the binder, that is usually called a "bunch", but I believe that is what "doll" refers to.
If a wrapper leaf is misted with water, it goes into high case (floppy, stretchy, like wilted lettuce) within a few minutes. But the veins within the leaf rehydrate more slowly, depending on the variety and priming level. Resting within a closed Ziplock bag, a stubborn high-case wrapper may require 12 hours or more to relax the veins. I try not to make wrappers actually wet or soggy, but rather just damp enough for all the moisture to fully absorb, leaving the surface with no free droplets.
The mystery for me, in watching this video, is why time and care are spent on a triple cap, only to immediately open it for smoking.
Bob
If a wrapper leaf is misted with water, it goes into high case (floppy, stretchy, like wilted lettuce) within a few minutes. But the veins within the leaf rehydrate more slowly, depending on the variety and priming level. Resting within a closed Ziplock bag, a stubborn high-case wrapper may require 12 hours or more to relax the veins. I try not to make wrappers actually wet or soggy, but rather just damp enough for all the moisture to fully absorb, leaving the surface with no free droplets.
The mystery for me, in watching this video, is why time and care are spent on a triple cap, only to immediately open it for smoking.
Bob
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Bob has it. Dolls are the bunch. (fillers and binders without the wrapper)
Also, giving the binders and, wrappers the time to let the water absorb into the veining will relax them to become easier to form.
You could prepare the leaf in advance pulling the wrinkles out to a degree. You could pull or, pinch/cut out the thicker parts of the veining to help.
Also, you could flatten the veins carefully with a socket or, roller of sorts.
Again, see how waikikigun squeezes the filler and, the the forward rolling he does while pressing down helps to flatten the doll out.
Also, giving the binders and, wrappers the time to let the water absorb into the veining will relax them to become easier to form.
You could prepare the leaf in advance pulling the wrinkles out to a degree. You could pull or, pinch/cut out the thicker parts of the veining to help.
Also, you could flatten the veins carefully with a socket or, roller of sorts.
Again, see how waikikigun squeezes the filler and, the the forward rolling he does while pressing down helps to flatten the doll out.
ciennepi
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All you are very collaborative
Nex time a try to prepare binder and wrapper the day before so the vein can relax more.
For the Bob's question I can say that roll a properly rolled cigar is a pleasure itself not less than smoking it. I like doing things as they should be done.
Nex time a try to prepare binder and wrapper the day before so the vein can relax more.
For the Bob's question I can say that roll a properly rolled cigar is a pleasure itself not less than smoking it. I like doing things as they should be done.
Rolling is a pleasure, but no one said it needed a triple cap to be called a «true cigar»
I admire the dexterity of those who can roll such perfect looking sticks, and I understand the pleasure they might get from doing so, but I confess I don't care too much on the look of the ones I roll
I admire the dexterity of those who can roll such perfect looking sticks, and I understand the pleasure they might get from doing so, but I confess I don't care too much on the look of the ones I roll
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