How i can reduce nicotine and tar from leaves?

[cicocx]

Hello.

I am trying to make my own shisha tobacco. I am pretty good at flavoring and other things but i cant maintain nicotine level. I dont like nicotine buzz.

Using Virginia flue leaves. Keeping them in hot water (90C) for 10-12 hours and changing water every 1 to 3 hours but still it gives very high buzz.

How can i reduce nicotine and tar level very much like modern shisha tobacco brands? Many brands has zero tar and 0.05 nicotine. So how to do that?

Thanks.

 

[Krausen89]

Hello.

I am trying to make my own shisha tobacco. I am pretty good at flavoring and other things but i cant maintain nicotine level. I dont like nicotine buzz.

Using Virginia flue leaves. Keeping them in hot water (90C) for 10-12 hours and changing water every 1 to 3 hours but still it gives very high buzz.

How can i reduce nicotine and tar level very much like modern shisha tobacco brands? Many brands has zero tar and 0.05 nicotine. So how to do that?

Thanks.

I dont know much about making Shisha. i had smoked alot of it when i was in high school and right after i graduated. Then the high nicotine level was kind of the point and why we loved it so much.

The only thing i can think of is to make Cavendish by steaming the Virginia and then blending with other Virginia. Maybe do 50/50 and adjust from there. Other than that you could try using another type of tobacco with lower levels of nicotine.

 

[GreenDragon]

Nicotine is a very stable molecule, and not very water soluble. So hot water will not get you very far except extracting much of the natural flavor. Try soaking overnight in Vodka and see if that gets you where you want to be.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

A great deal of shisha which is smoked in lounges and restaurants in Canada is actually made out of non tobacco products like sugar cane in order to make it pass smoking bylaws. I don't know if anything like that is used in Turkey, but if you rarely or never got a buzz, I would think that the greatest difference between your shisha and the stuff you had before, is that yours has way more tobacco in it.

You could try researching what is actually in the commercial shishas that you have smoked in the past.

 

[cicocx]

Other brands also using flue Virginia and some of them Burley which is higher nicotine but its still 0.05 nicotine conten.

I found a article that they are using hot water and diluted acetylsalicylic acid. This tech reducing nicotine and tar very much in short time (10 mins).

Here is link. Maybe someone needs that too. https://patents.google.com/patent/FR2699372A1/en

But still i am open for anohter ideas except soaking in alcohol because it could be very expensive way.

 

[Knucklehead]

Here are a couple of threads

Shisha

a little on my progress with makin shisha. The candy oil is just missin sumin.Just dont have the smoothness of the stow bought. it could be the bacca. I just dont know.The loungin around season is about over and I didnt get it right. I did get fat though.I gess all I can do is take a pull and...

fairtradetobacco.com

What are some naturally flavorful hookah tobacco varities?

so im just getting into the whole homegrown baccy scene fro the purpose of growing it (being that im a plant geek) and figured that if im the one to be growing it, i might just trust it to smoke and though there are always cigarettes and pipes, i'd also like to use a hookah from time to time...

fairtradetobacco.com

Also, try entering the keywords "shisha" and then "hookah" into the search box located near the top right and several pages of posts of each searchword will pull up for you to browse.

edit: welcome to the forum!

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

One thought I have is that by soaking, you may be removing nicotine, but you'll also be removing sugar. That means that the pH of the resulting smoke will increase. Since it's increasing, you may have less nicotine, but you will absorb it at a higher rate, cancelling out the benefit of removing a portion of the nicotine. Maybe try adding lemon juice, citric acid, or malic acid.

I would be concerned about smoking residual salycilic acid. I don't know if that's a rational concern. It might not be healthy or it might be bitter. I don't know.

 

[cicocx]

Okay i found anohter article which is doable with just water but with higher tobacco:water ratio.

Here is summary of article if anyone needs after me.

1:30 tobacco:water (for ex. 60 gr tobacco and 1800cc water) needed to reduce nicotine in tobacco. Tobacco soaked in hot water (min 85 - max 90C) for 10 to 35 mins. Water should be higher than 85 because lower than 85 doesnt clean other toxic things or its slowdowns to nicotine reduction. Higher than 90 makes water boil and it can damage leaves.

After boiling 10 to 35 mins, running water (4 to 7C and 25 minutes) used to clean residues.

Then leaves dried immediately and nicotine level 0.5 to 0.030 depends on how long you wash it.

I hope this could be helpful to others. Few days later i will share experimental details. Because preparing shisha tobacco takes few days.

 

[deluxestogie]

Please keep in mind that water containing the extracted nicotine is extremely dangerous to handle. It can be rapidly fatal (even for an adult) it spilled on your skin, or accidentally consumed by a child.

Bob

 

[Knucklehead]

@cicocx
Do you have access to lower nicotine tobacco such as an Oriental variety?

 

[cicocx]

@cicocx
Do you have access to lower nicotine tobacco such as an Oriental variety?

I am from Turkey. So i have access to any tobacco grows in Turkey (oriental, samsun bafra etc)

 

[cicocx]

Please keep in mind that water containing the extracted nicotine is extremely dangerous to handle. It can be rapidly fatal (even for an adult) it spilled on your skin, or accidentally consumed by a child.

Bob

Yes i know that but still thanks for reminding. Nicotine can pass through your skin and that much nicotine in water can be fatal.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Going on thirty years ago I thought it would be a cool idea to simmer a bit of pipe tobacco in a pot on the stove like my mom used to do with potpourri. You know. For the nice aroma. I got sick, just from the fumes.

 

[cicocx]

İt says it can be done with cold water too but process time is longer than with hot water. Also hot water takes other high-temp soluble toxics and tar.

Anohter article does that washing process with 1:20 rate at 50C.

I will try cold, warm and hot process and see which one is better.

 

[Knucklehead]

I am from Turkey. So i have access to any tobacco grows in Turkey (oriental, samsun bafra etc)

You could blend the Oriental with your flue cured to reduce the impact of the flue cured.

 

[cicocx]

You could blend the Oriental with your flue cured to reduce the impact of the flue cured.

Yes that could be helpful but there still will be higher nicotine than popular brands. Because their nicotine levels are 0.05 with 0 tar. Thats the point i am trying to reach.

Higher than 0.05 gives you buzz but 0.05 or even lower never tickles you.

 

[Alpine]

Gosh… and I add rustica to my daily blend!

pier

 

[cicocx]

One thought I have is that by soaking, you may be removing nicotine, but you'll also be removing sugar. That means that the pH of the resulting smoke will increase. Since it's increasing, you may have less nicotine, but you will absorb it at a higher rate, cancelling out the benefit of removing a portion of the nicotine. Maybe try adding lemon juice, citric acid, or malic acid.

I would be concerned about smoking residual salycilic acid. I don't know if that's a rational concern. It might not be healthy or it might be bitter. I don't know.

Yeah that man was right.

Sorry for delay tho.

Just realized that popular brands "washing" their tobacco but thats not with water.

My problem with getting high wasnt about nicotine. İt was because i ise water and take all sugar out. With other chemicals i used (VG) etc was hitting so bad.

I just realized washing process is kind of fermentation with fructose/glycose with citric acid.

Now i just finished my tobacco and its 90% same with popular brands.

İts really needs good calculation of amount used for sweetener and softener then fermentation and then flavoring process. But result is amazing. Still i have to say that preparing molasses is not like write ups on internet. If you want to make shisha tobacco DO NOT USE blackstrap molasses or corn syrup.

 

[Radagast]

Yeah that man was right.

Sorry for delay tho.

Just realized that popular brands "washing" their tobacco but thats not with water.

My problem with getting high wasnt about nicotine. İt was because i ise water and take all sugar out. With other chemicals i used (VG) etc was hitting so bad.

I just realized washing process is kind of fermentation with fructose/glycose with citric acid.

Now i just finished my tobacco and its 90% same with popular brands.

İts really needs good calculation of amount used for sweetener and softener then fermentation and then flavoring process. But result is amazing. Still i have to say that preparing molasses is not like write ups on internet. If you want to make shisha tobacco DO NOT USE blackstrap molasses or corn syrup.

What is your process?

 

[burge]

Well soaking can work but it loses the flavour. Best to tone is down I find is to saturate the leaf let it dry and repeat about 6 times. When I had too much tobacco or nicotine in the virginia that is what I did and it made it tamer,