has anyone tried this? wlt has a number of parejo molds 40 rg & under, and I have a boatload of scraps from rolling long filler that I've been using for free hand cigarillos. would this work or just compress the filler too much and make a stick with the draw of a wooden dowel?
using a mold for short filler cigars
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ChinaVoodoo
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Totally doable.
There's this :
Rolling a Nice Cigar from Short Scrap
When I roll long-filler cigars, I end up with two categories of scrap, which I store separately: long scrap (mostly from wrapper trimmings) and short scrap (filler trimmings from the foot and head). Long scrap can be used as filler in the same manner as long-filler. It usually makes a...
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If you can't get it tight enough with the binder, I might do a second one before putting it in the mold.
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There's also this technique
View: https://youtu.be/_3s3GA-cReY
@deluxestogie, can we make this a key thread?
@deluxestogie, can we make this a key thread?
thanks china. should clarify: I'm thinking about using a proper parejo commercial cigar mold for short filler cigars, so I'm interested in seeing who's done that/tips/advice, etc.
already have done short filler sticks with a paper mold, keeping filler very low case, challenging not to overcompress
like the idea of a key thread
already have done short filler sticks with a paper mold, keeping filler very low case, challenging not to overcompress
like the idea of a key thread
ChinaVoodoo
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I have done it in 50ga, and 22ga molds. I bunched them freehand. It worked. The 22 is more difficult.
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Yeah, I do this all the time. Mostly with a 38rg and a 40rg. I demo it without a mold because a lot of people don't have molds. But I nearly always put my own short-scrap bunches into a mold.
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I rolled 11 short filter cigars today. I was thoughtful about what I was learning, and thought I would share. I filled them by hand while paying attention to keeping the individual cigars consistent in diameter and amount. My scrap was high in ligero so I used Rene seco for binder. I used two binders, rolled separately. When applying the second binder, I flipped the foot to the opposite end so the initial binder wouldn't loosen up while putting the second one on. I set out three molds, and used two of them, the 34 & 41. Eight of the cigars fit perfectly in the 41. Two, and I decided this after binding them, were more suited for the 34. No reason to be stubborn about them all being the same. One was too tight in the 41, but was too loose for the 50, so I opted for no mold at all.
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Good idea using two binders to tone down the ligero. I tend to only trim up the foot when rolling, not cut to uniform length, so my scraps tend to be high on the binder / wrapper side. I usually need to add some chopped ligero / viso to the mix or use a leaf to help bunch the scraps to balance my blend out.
I do find it challenging when rolling with short fill to maintain an even distribution (no lumps!) and good draw. I've learned the hard way to always take a test draw immediately after applying the binder.
I do find it challenging when rolling with short fill to maintain an even distribution (no lumps!) and good draw. I've learned the hard way to always take a test draw immediately after applying the binder.
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I save my wrapper scraps for binding and wrapping cigarillos. I have started using seco instead of "binder" as my binder, so that eliminates binder scrap. I make sure there's no stiff bits in the scrap and mist it moderately.
One way to slightly improve lumpiness is to insert a little bit more filler between the two binders at the lumpy area. I'm sure it would affect the evenness of the burn though. Although, I think if it's real bad, just unroll it and adjust.
One way to slightly improve lumpiness is to insert a little bit more filler between the two binders at the lumpy area. I'm sure it would affect the evenness of the burn though. Although, I think if it's real bad, just unroll it and adjust.
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I have, literally, done this with every bunch I've ever rolled, from the very first. It would never occur to me not to do this! This is why "roll one, smoke one" never made any sense to me, since I could roll one, test draw, and immediately try to correct on the next bunch, thereby quickly developing muscle memory for a given girth.
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I agree, and try to always do this as I roll, but sometimes I get cocky or there's rum involved...
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Lol, yeah. In those cases, all bets off.I agree, and try to always do this as I roll, but sometimes I get cocky or there's rum involved...
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Here's a new video I made today. Sorry that I recorded it vertically.
View: https://youtu.be/-HEuncV5Okc
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I originally modeled it after a wooden hand rolling machine (I think they were called King Rollers?). I was using a steel rod and the friction was wrong and I gave up on it and turned it into a cabbage slicer by installing a blade, but then six months later I took a huge chunk of my thumb with it, which grew back surprisingly, I don't know if I'm part salamander, but then it sat there for a year collecting dust, so I thought I would give it a try again, and that glass straw, the first thing I found, worked really well.
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No drawing. You kinda get what you see. The sides are maybe 1/16" higher than the deck. This was intentional. The idea was that the rod or dowel or whatever you use, being on top of the sides, leaves a gap for the binder leaf.
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