Which tobacco has a neutral flavor like industrial cigarettes?

[Tim Cooker]

Hello, is there a tobacco that has no taste? I'm looking for a tobacco that doesn't taste like a cigar... I would like it to have a neutral taste. If you can advise me, if it exists, I thank you in advance.

 

[deluxestogie]

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Whole Leaf Tobacco - Cigarettes

If purchasing whole leaf tobacco, to shred for cigarettes, then the typical ingredients for an "American"-style cigarette are:

• flue-cured Virginia
• burley
• an Oriental

Some brands of commercial cigarettes in France use other ingredients.

Bob

 

[Alpine]

Welcome to FTT.
Any (ok… almost any) flue cured strain, if air cured, has a very light flavor. So light that most forum members add some Maryland or burley to their cigarette blend. For a very light (but still enjoyable) cigarette I would recommend Big Gem http://nwtseeds.com/Big Gem.htm that, if air cured, gives a very light smoke.
If you want to “boost” the flavor a little you can add an oriental (or Turkish) strain that usually have a nice spicy/sweet/floral taste but with little nicotine. One of my favorites is Celikhan (good yield and easy to cure) but Alma Ata 315 could be better suited for your taste: very subtle floral/incense-like flavor without being too invasive. Hope this helps!

pier

 

[larryccf]

for a totally neutral taste, try the "first priming" or thin cut tobacco - it's the bottom leaves of the tobacco plant, that see very little sunlight

Flue Cured Virginia Thin Leaf (First Priming), 1lb.

This tobacco is Flue Cured like most Virginia type tobacco. Taken as a First Priming, the leaves are harvested from the lowest part of the plant (exposed to the least amount of sunlight).

wholeleaftobacco.com

The cigarette manufacturers use it to tame down strong tobacco in their cigarettes, and create the "ultra-lite" cigarettes. If it's too mild for you, you can always use it to blend with another tobacco to tame it down some.

 

[cavedane]

My favorite brand "Prince" from Denmark ... I have been smoking it for the last 50 years.
Last year I grew ...golden burley...harrov welvet and virginia gold and made a blend like 50-25-25..WOW it vas good ... copy this year
Tobacco dont taste like cigars ...if you prime and cure it right ...and let it AGE..(have fun)

 

[Tim Cooker]

Thank you all for your answers, I think I'll try the "first priming" (It will take me less time to buy than to grow it). To be honest, it's mainly for mixing****, because here in France, manufactured tobacco is expensive...
That's why I'm looking for a neutral taste, as I almost never smoke tobacco alone...
Here in France I ordered this one but it tastes too much like a cigar + the smoke is unpleasant in the throat (https://fairesontabac.fr/products/feuilles-de-tabac-virginie-blond) , I don't even know how it was dried, there's no indication on the site where I bought it :/.
I will order on WholeLeafTobacco now.
Is it necessary to let it age to make it lose its cigar taste? I'm thinking of trying casing to make it lose some of its taste, but I don't know what to use to counteract the taste, maybe coffee. As it has a rather pronounced taste, I'm thinking that maybe it can make disappear the taste of cigar...

 

[larryccf]

there's very little taste, much less any cigar taste, aging it would eventually improve it some, but again, there's so little taste i doubt you'd notice the improvement. I blend it with Virginia Lemon (25% first priming /75% Va Lemon) which is a pleasant tobacco with some citric notes to it - aging that some, 3-6 months makes a noticeable difference but i am now just smoking it as i shred it. I shred about 10 - 12 day supply of shred, so it doesn't gets much of a chance to age.

 

[larryccf]

another consideration might be the cigarette tube you're stuffing - there's a dynamic between the different cigarette papers and the tobacco used. The most neutral cigarette paper or cigarette tube i've used is the Mascotte line. They are no longer available here in the US but fortunately they are there in europe. And if you want to neutralize the taste of your tobacco even more, Mascotte also has a cigarette tube with a charcoal filter. You might give them a try.

The paper taste is so neutral, ie not noticeable, i actually buy my Mascotte in the UK by the case and have them shipped here.

FWIW

 

[Tim Cooker]

Thanks so much again for the information. It's a coincidence but I currently also have Mascotte paper ahah, I'll try it all together as soon as it arrives. In any case it seems to be just what I'm looking for. I didn't know you could find cigarette tubes with charcoal filters, it looks pretty good. I'm also tempted by the Virginia Lemon now ^^. Thanks .

 

[Tim Cooker]

I've seen on some sites people talking about the Maryland 609, is it strong in taste? Has anyone tried it?

 

[larryccf]

while the VA Lemon is good to smoke without aging, shredded and given some time in the sealed tub, 3 to 6 months and you notice the flavor has sweetened a little bit and become a little bit more pleasant to smoke. Some folks recommend opening the tub once a month or so, to let the "ammonia" gases to air out, while others do not suggest airing the tubs. When i was shredding large amounts of leaf at a time, i'd have tubs 128 oz sealed tubs in the tobacco room - i tested airing half of them and not airing the other half - i could never discern a difference in the aging effect between the aired and non-aired tubs, but it might my taste buds are weak with age.

In an earlier post above, you mentioned wanting to try using casings - i haven't had much experience with casings, the few times i did, i did not repeat usage of a casing. But if you want to experiment with casings, WholeLeafTobacco.com has 3 or 4 casings, and TobaccoandMachines.com in Poland has good number, maybe 20 including menthol. If you go there, scroll to the bottom of the column on the left side of the home page, and you'll see the list of them there.

and i haven't tried the Maryland 609 but as WholeLeafTobacco carries it, i suspect someone here will respond

 

[deluxestogie]

In general, Maryland tobacco varieties are used widely for commercial pipe blending, since they tend to absorb and hold casings more efficiently than other varieties. I never use casings, but enjoy Maryland 609 as a medium-strength, somewhat neutral blending component. I have grown it for a number of years.

My guess is that it could comprise a minor blending component for fuller-bodied cigarettes.

Bob

 

[burge]

Hello, is there a tobacco that has no taste? I'm looking for a tobacco that doesn't taste like a cigar... I would like it to have a neutral taste. If you can advise me, if it exists, I thank you in advance.

Welcome for that it's the Virginia that describes what you are looking for. The US like that flavour and Canada doesn't have that cigar flavour as it is all Virginia.

 

[Tim Cooker]

Thank you all for your answers. I have Virginia, it's true that the taste is rather light, but I have a problem with it. I don't know how to explain it, but it "hurts" in the throat with the smoke, I read on another post that the smoke was acidic, right? But I couldn't find anything on how to fix it :/. Do you have this problem with the virginia too? Does maryland make your throat hurt less?

 

[deluxestogie]

I assume you have flue-cured Virginia. Adjusting the pH to make the smoke less acidic is a matter of blending the flue-cured Virginia with some darker tobacco, such as burley, a Maryland variety, or even a dark air-cured variety. Start with adding about 15% darker tobacco to 85% flue-cured, then, if needed, gradually increase the proportion of darker tobacco.

If your Virginia tobacco has not been flue-cured, then that itself may be the issue.

Bob

 

[Tim Cooker]

I'll try that too, thanks. Is there any other way to make the ph less acidic? Is there a tobacco with a perfect smoke without having to blend?

 

[burge]

I'll try that too, thanks. Is there any other way to make the ph less acidic? Is there a tobacco with a perfect smoke without having to blend?

Is this the new virginia? About 5 years ago there was some leaf that was very bitter. I put some heat on the radiator opened it up and it was super sweet afterwards. Also shredded it hand pressed it and got better and better. That took a lot of the acidify and bitterness away.

 

[Knucklehead]

I'll try that too, thanks. Is there any other way to make the ph less acidic? Is there a tobacco with a perfect smoke without having to blend?

Can you grow your own or just buy what is available?

 

[Tim Cooker]

Can you grow your own or just buy what is available?

I can do both .

 

[Tim Cooker]

I assume you have flue-cured Virginia. Adjusting the pH to make the smoke less acidic is a matter of blending the flue-cured Virginia with some darker tobacco, such as burley, a Maryland variety, or even a dark air-cured variety. Start with adding about 15% darker tobacco to 85% flue-cured, then, if needed, gradually increase the proportion of darker tobacco.

If your Virginia tobacco has not been flue-cured, then that itself may be the issue.

Bob

Do the Burley and Maryland 609 have cigar flavors like the Samsun? Or more neutral flavors like virginia?
I'll probably order the Burley and Maryland 609 to mix with the Virginia (if they don't taste like cigars).
Thanks for all the advice.