Whotan's snus and dip ,chew research diy thread

[whotan]

Good day to you all! I will document my experiments and recipes here! (Everything to do with dip, chew and snus)

I have the following types of tobacco available:

Italian Premium Kentucky

Italian Kentucky Dark Fired(Special/Oak smoked tobacco )

Very smoked dark fire kentucky
Nicotine content: 2.25% Origin: India Fermentation: Yes Humidity: <10%

SKRONOWSKI (If anyone knows anything about this variety, it would be great if someone could say something! I ordered this tobacco purely out of interest! Im find anithing on google!

Burley

Burley Honey Stringed (Nicotine content: 3% Origin: India Fermentation: Yes Humidity: 12.5%
Flue cured

Burley dark air cured and fermented

I plan to try out different recipes here and report how it goes. And I plan to do a chew experiment. Last year I wanted to ferment and dry smoking tobacco. And the virgina and burley stuck together (so that it became a mass). I then left this tobacco to air dry and put it in a bag. Because I thought it was rubbish!

After almost a year, I found the bag again today and noticed that it had turned into a beautiful slab that smelled of honey and cocoa and tobacco (like slate).

I put it straight in my mouth and noticed that it was very, very tasty! Which is why I want to try to repeat this process!

I will take photos of everything and document it! If anyone has any tips or questions, please feel free to ask. I hope you like my little project! And I hope you understand my English

 

[whotan]

Do you think it would be a problem if I made a dip of each type separately, for example, and only checked after the first cooking which types go together? So that I can test lots of different mixtures? Without having to mix the different tobaccos before cooking?

 

[deluxestogie]

SKRONOWSKI

Unknown to USDA-ARS-GRIN. Unknown to Northwood Seeds. Unknown to @polygon55's listings.

So far as I can determine, throughout the internet, "Skronowski" appears on eBay—with no description, and mention of it included in two snuff kits:

Rosinski Berliner Luft Schnupftabak - Snuffland.de Online Shop

Der Rosinski Berliner Luft Schnupftabak ist eine Mischung aus leicht angeröstetem Burley und Skronowski-Tabak. Ein Hauch schwarzer Pfeffer, Bergamotte

www.snuffland.de

Rosinski Ochsenkopf Schnupftabak - Snuffland.de Online Shop

Der Rosinski Ochsenkopf Schnupftabak ist eine Mischung aus den drei Tabaksorten Hochstamm, Neumärker und Skronowski. Eine milde Tabaksüße und

www.snuffland.de

—also with no description.

And then you have mentioned it previously, twice over the past year on FTT. So it's clarification and description will have to be part of your research.

Bob

 

[whotan]

Then I'll have to test it myself! I was hoping that maybe a new member or even an old member has tested this tobacco by now! You can buy it in the EU on eBay and on a German website! It looks relatively dark like burley!

Maybe even a little darker! Let's see how it works in snus and dip! I've also written to the seller! Maybe he knows a little about the tobacco!

 

[polygon55]

Unknown to USDA-ARS-GRIN. Unknown to Northwood Seeds. Unknown to @polygon55's listings.

So far as I can determine, throughout the internet, "Skronowski" appears on eBay—with no description, and mention of it included in two snuff kits:

Rosinski Berliner Luft Schnupftabak - Snuffland.de Online Shop

Der Rosinski Berliner Luft Schnupftabak ist eine Mischung aus leicht angeröstetem Burley und Skronowski-Tabak. Ein Hauch schwarzer Pfeffer, Bergamotte

www.snuffland.de

Rosinski Ochsenkopf Schnupftabak - Snuffland.de Online Shop

Der Rosinski Ochsenkopf Schnupftabak ist eine Mischung aus den drei Tabaksorten Hochstamm, Neumärker und Skronowski. Eine milde Tabaksüße und

www.snuffland.de

—also with no description.

And then you have mentioned it previously, twice over the past year on FTT. So it's clarification and description will have to be part of your research.

Bob

I know the variety Skroniowski Szerokolistny (Skroniowski broadleaf). This is a Polish tobacco, but I have not grown it. Perhaps it's burley.

 

[deluxestogie]

Thank you. It's helpful to know the actual name.

"Several varieties of tobacco are grown in Poland. Light varieties dominate: Virginia (over 70%) and Burley (approx. 25%). Dark tobacco is Skroniowski Mocny, Puławski and Kentucky."

Poland: agricultural news week 51

In our last agrinews this year you can read about tobacco and wine production in Poland. And after an intoxicating start of the New Year, think about (and eat) blueberries as they are super healthy. We wish you merry Christmas and a fruitfuil New Year 2021!

www.agroberichtenbuitenland.nl

Bob

 

[whotan]

Thank you so much! Now I know a little more! The Skro[n]iowski is a little darker in color and smells a little spicier! I'll report back as soon as the snus and dip are ready! I'll document everything here anyway! Greetings from Germany!

 

[deluxestogie]

Polish

Adjective​

mocny: strong, sturdy​

mocny - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Bob

 

[polygon55]

Thank you. It's helpful to know the actual name.

"Several varieties of tobacco are grown in Poland. Light varieties dominate: Virginia (over 70%) and Burley (approx. 25%). Dark tobacco is Skroniowski Mocny, Puławski and Kentucky."

Poland: agricultural news week 51

In our last agrinews this year you can read about tobacco and wine production in Poland. And after an intoxicating start of the New Year, think about (and eat) blueberries as they are super healthy. We wish you merry Christmas and a fruitfuil New Year 2021!

www.agroberichtenbuitenland.nl

Bob

Yes, there are many interesting varieties in Poland. I get their seeds from the INSTITUTE OF PLANT BREEDING AND ACCLIMATIZATION (PIB
NATIONAL CENTER FOR COMMON PLANT RESOURCES). This is an analogue of ars-green.

 

[whotan]

After I have the tobacco ready to smoke or ferment, I plan to slowly start smoking tobacco! Since I have so many different types of tobacco, I thought I would make two dips and two snus for each type!


I thought I would make a dip and a snus of each type of tobacco two or three times! Once with a lot of salt, with a little salt, with a high and a low pH value! And when I've finished cooking it for the first time, I'll try to experiment and mix the different types of tobacco and test which pH value I like and which flavors go well with a lot of salt and which don't!

Which essential oils and spices and additives would you recommend to me so that I can experiment a lot! I don't want to use normal flavors! Unless they are made from the fruit that is on them! I'm really looking forward to it and am very excited!

 

[whotan]

I thought of:

Wintergreen oil
liquorice
mint oil
Vanilla oil
Junipeer oil or spice
Bergamotte oil
Lemon oil
lavender oil
cedar oil


An oil or something similar to dilute strong oils! Or should I use alcohol?

Gummi arabicum
Alkohol
Soja sauce
Ammonium carbonat
Sodium carbonate
Calcium carbonat
Propylen glycol
Vegetable glyzerin
Succralose
Corn syrup

If you can think of a few more things, I would be delighted if you would write about them! First of all, I plan to make smokes tobacco with a tobacco flavor and all the old flavors, or rather, make something of my own in that direction! And then modern blends!

 

[slouch]

I thought of:

Wintergreen oil
liquorice
mint oil
Vanilla oil
Junipeer oil or spice
Bergamotte oil
Lemon oil
lavender oil
cedar oil


An oil or something similar to dilute strong oils! Or should I use alcohol?

Gummi arabicum
Alkohol
Soja sauce
Ammonium carbonat
Sodium carbonate
Calcium carbonat
Propylen glycol
Vegetable glyzerin
Succralose
Corn syrup

If you can think of a few more things, I would be delighted if you would write about them! First of all, I plan to make smokes tobacco with a tobacco flavor and all the old flavors, or rather, make something of my own in that direction! And then modern blends!

A sieve

 

[wruk53]

For a licorice flavor, replace some of the water with ouzo, it will also add some sweetness. Thanks to Anders for that idea. Bourbon would work for a whiskey flavor. The alcohol will evaporate pretty quickly, so no worries about getting high. Ammonium chloride is also commonly used in snus and dip.

 

[KroBar]

I add hibiscus powder (maybe %1 - %2, 2g to a finished batch of 200g) to my snus.
It adds a little sour without being too astringent, or sweet. It's subtle, and I'm still experimenting with the amount. I could probably add a little more.
It's acidic though, so it probably messes with the PH. I add it after the snus has rested and alkalized, but then I add a little more Sodium Carbonate to compensate for the acidity.
I haven't tested the PH, so I'm just guessing on that part. It's tasty though.

Flavoring wise, I've found that Honeysuckle, Cranberry, and Pomelo are my favorites. I use the essences from Bull city. Just flavorings in PG. It doesn't take much.
All those flavors surprised me to be the ones that I've liked the most.
Also, I'll take a sprig of fresh picked peppermint, or a Butterfly Bush flower and stick them in the can.
The can won't last long enough for them to get moldy, and they're usually black and soggy after overnight, so i just take them out.

 

[whotan]

I have now dried and cut the tobacco and got all the ingredients. Many thanks to a very nice forum member for the tobacco cutter! I am now about to continue working on the tobacco.

Now I am wondering whether you can add the carbonate before heating it in the oven?
Is there anything against adding the carbonate before baking?

I took photos of everything and will report everything here as soon as I am finished and upload the pictures!

 

[whotan]

Does anyone know how much potassium carbonate is in this lye water or how much you can use? Unfortunately it doesn't say how much carbonate is contained.

 

[whotan]

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[wruk53]

I have now dried and cut the tobacco and got all the ingredients. Many thanks to a very nice forum member for the tobacco cutter! I am now about to continue working on the tobacco.

Now I am wondering whether you can add the carbonate before heating it in the oven?
Is there anything against adding the carbonate before baking?

I took photos of everything and will report everything here as soon as I am finished and upload the pictures!

Yes, you can. I cooked up a batch last week with the alkalizer added at the same time as the salty water was mixed into the tobacco flour. It turned out really well. I cook mine in sealed jars though, if it was cooked in a non-sealed container, you might get some unpleasant odors in the house during the cook. But it'll work just fine added at the beginning.

 

[whotan]

Thank you for the quick reply! I have preservation jars and would seal them too! Or is it good or better if the smells can escape? Smells don't bother me! At what temperature did you cook the closed jars? I plan to cook my tobacco at 55c for 8 days and at 80c for 4 days! I will cook 4 batches for each type of tobacco (at high temperatures and low temperatures, lots of salt and little salt, lots of carbonate and little salt). When the tobacco is ready I will taste and test them all individually. And then I will try to mix them optimally (for the best tobacco taste)!

 

[wruk53]

Or is it good or better if the smells can escape? Smells don't bother me! At what temperature did you cook the closed jars?

When you first alkalize the snus, it gives off nose burning and eye watering fumes for a little while. As far as letting it escape, that will happen gradually as you age it for a few weeks in the refrigerator. Snus is usually pretty harsh tasting and smelling for the first few weeks after cooking. It gradually mellows out over the first two weeks and is usually very good after three weeks or so in the fridge. I cook mine at 193f for 48 hours.