Your Location-climatic conditions-soil types, start your own sub thread

[BarG]

For quick access to growers in specific or unique locations, by state,elevation,soil or climatic conditions.
1-individual states or regions
2-unique soil conditions
3-high elevations
4-dry regions
5-short growing season
6-grow year round [lucky dogs]
7-container grown

You get the idea,

deluxstogie on how to divide forum thread, soil and climate....Yes. And include:

• soils and drainage
• climate considerations, and where to find climate info
• spacing experience with various soils and tobacco varieties
• container growing
• chemical discussions
• "organic" approaches
• scaffolds, sheds and barns
• grading, labeling and hanging methods
• pest identification and remedies

Barg

Be sure to add title as to your specifics

 

[BarG]

Texas growers

I'm new to growing tobacco but not to Texas,[brazos vally] We can generaly expect a late frost in april but I have planted as early as late feb and early march for most veg. crops. I started my baccy seeds indoors mid feb. to mid march this yr. Last yr. we had frost clear into may almost. this yr. is proving to be much milder. I'm adding about 50 lbs of pellitized lime to 5000 sq. this yr to amend my soil. Will also add potash at recommended rate according to first soil test. Last yrs. drought was killer on my veggies but tobacco grew fine. The deer ate evevry thing green except my baccy. I took one hard look at them hornworms and other caterpillars -they left me alone[bt liquid]

 

[Daniel]

Northern Nevada, High mountain Dessert. No rain to speak of, very dry air. Night are cool (down to the 50's) even int he hotest part of summers. Summer temps will hit the 90's in July and August but seldom any worse.

Spring arrives late and always with a late freeze. We did not get Tobacco growing weather until July last year. Weather stays nice enough to ripen tobacco until nearly the very end of October.

Soil is rocky clay with a very high Ph. Ph is high due to Free Lime. Trying to make Free Lime soil more acidic results in any acidic material being converted to Calcium and the Calcium then locks up other nutrients. The common answer tot he soil here is to grow in raised beds with top soil brought in or compost, compost, compost.

I will be growing tobacco in a valley an hour east of here this summer. the soil is very fine sand and loam. Draining is pretty much non existant. Once water does get in this soil it stays there. Under this 8 inch or so layer of sand and dust is a solid layer of hardpan clay. This clay is like concrete and people often have to have holes blasted through it with dynamite in order to build fences. The Ph of the soil in this lot is 8.1 and basically nothing I can do about it. It has been suggested I add compost, peat moss, pour one gallon of vinegar per platn into the soil prior to planting, and other solutions. Do to the number of plants I am going to grow (1600) I need a solution that is more economical such as compost. Still it is fairly expensive and compost works slowly over several years. I thought of tiling and spraying with vinegar than tilling again in order to reduce the amount of vinegar per plant required. At any rate I need to do everythign possibel to lower the Ph of this soil. then fertilize weekly for the first few weeks in order for it to have any nutrients at all.

 

[FmGrowit]

Maybe this can be it's own forum. The problem will be identifying all of the different conditions per region/State/Province/Country/. Each area would then need to be broken down into elevation, soil type, etc.

Maybe just using the largely accepted "hardiness zones", but that doesn't address soil type.

 

[BarG]

Its a good start, you see on any pack of seeds you buy retail. Texas brazos vally for instance zone 8, soil cond.?, hardiness full sun...a lot of that. Cool post FmGrowit. [You never will predict Soil cond.]unless you use that "usga mapping" did I get that right, From a recent post? I haven't tried it yet but I want to. Over time hardiness zones could be more specific for climatic or elevation as in a farmers almanac. THE TOBACCO GROWERS ALMANAC.[Did I say new grower], all tobacco seed growing directions are pretty generic from most tobacco seed suppliers., Point to be made is about assuring new growers info is available for there conditions. Your doing that here.

 

[Tom_in_TN]

[QUOTE=FmGrowit;Maybe just using the largely accepted "hardiness zones".

I've seen maps that say I'm in Zone6a and others, like the one you posted, has my area a solid Zone7.

 

[Tom_in_TN]

Northern Nevada, High mountain Dessert. At any rate I need to do everythign possibel to lower the Ph of this soil. then fertilize weekly for the first few weeks in order for it to have any nutrients at all.

Have you considered any of the spray-on-foliage fertilizers?

 

[LeftyRighty]

unless you use that "usga mapping" did I get that right, From a recent post? I haven't tried it yet but I want to. .

USGS - U.S. Geological Survey and SCS - Soil Conservation Service
each state with significant agriculture or mining has a USGS office, any county with significant aggies has a SCS or similar office.

 

[BarG]

USGS - U.S. Geological Survey and SCS - Soil Conservation Service

Thanks for posting that here Leftyrighty, again.
I still haven't gone there but soon. Im very curios how it will pinpoint me.
barG

 

[deluxestogie]

For those in traditional tobacco growing regions of the US, there is a wonderful book by JB Killebrew, published in 1884, which contains extensive chapters on each state, its soil types, tobacco types, (pre-mechanization) growing methods, etc. You can download it (~26 MB) from http://www.archive.org/details/reportonculturec00killrich. It's available in a number of formats, but the .pdf versions are much more readable, and contain all of his original artwork on curing sheds, presses, etc. It's one of my favorite old references.

Bob

 

[BarG]

For those in traditional tobacco growing regions of the US, there is a wonderful book by JB Killebrew, published in 1884, which contains extensive chapters on each state, its soil types, tobacco types, (pre-mechanization) growing methods, etc. You can download it (~26 MB) from http://www.archive.org/details/reportonculturec00killrich. It's available in a number of formats, but the .pdf versions are much more readable, and contain all of his original artwork on curing sheds, presses, etc. It's one of my favorite old references.

Bob

I didn't see the book for sale on the website, What is best source, amazon or the like. Don't tell me I'm goona find it. J B Killebrew. The pdf is savable ............ He is double popular in ausie country. I'll be lookin for this book best price to hold and read.

 

[deluxestogie]

It's free from archive.org. You just click the .pdf link on the left. It's a mother of a download.

Bob

 

[BarG]

It's free from archive.org. You just click the .pdf link on the left. It's a mother of a download.

Bob

I got the download from original link and stored in documents. I read this type of info better from books. I originaly thought it would not save due to the size of download. I look forward to reading.