That's a good idea. Jessica did pretty much the same thing with the GRIN grow out last year. She seeded every other row of cells.
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That's a good idea. Jessica did pretty much the same thing with the GRIN grow out last year. She seeded every other row of cells.
Nice, quality selection. That's for the start. I'm surprised about quantity of the plants. You may triple it just incase.
In the end you will have 28 strains. It is plenty of time to start new batch.
I'm still thinking and planing my grow....
In the end you will have 28 strains. It is plenty of time to start new batch.
I'm still thinking and planing my grow....
lol I have added three more varieties to the grow out, Glessnor filler, Izmir-Incekara, No. 3666 Deli wrapper from Honduras. That's it. No more.
Glessnor is nice and stretchy. It makes a nice wrapper if you are going for an American style cigar. You forgot to include Kavala.. 
Glessnor is nice and stretchy. It makes a nice wrapper if you are going for an American style cigar. You forgot to include Kavala..
I did forget to mention it, but there is one four cell section reserved for it. It will be grown this year. Damn, I need to repost my grow list. lol.
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There could always be a couple of varieties that may tempt you along the way, lol. That's something I'm contemplating......maybe adding a couple ones that you sent me, lol.
Ok, final list. I'm not adding any more. Seriously. This is it this time.
| Variety | PI Number | Class | # Plants |
| Maryland 609 | 552452 | maryland | 48 |
| VA 355 | 604198 | dark air | 48 |
| Seed Grow Out | |||
| TN 90 LC | burley | 4 | |
| TN 86 LC | burley | 4 | |
| Besuki | wrapper | 4 | |
| Florida Sumatra | 552631 | wrapper | 4 |
| CT Broadleaf | 552619 | wrapper | 4 |
| Machu Picchu | 116159 | wrapper | 4 |
| No. 3666 Deli | 113718 | wrapper | 4 |
| Little Dutch | 551282 | filler | 4 |
| Comstock Spanish | 552437 | filler | 4 |
| Vuelta Abajo | 405668 | filler | 4 |
| Pennsylvania Red | 552741 | filler | 4 |
| Long Red | 552693 | filler | 4 |
| Lancaster Seedleaf | 552689 | filler | 4 |
| Zimmer Spanish | 551284 | filler | 4 |
| Glessnor | 552642 | filler | 4 |
| Izmir Incekara | 494156 | oriental | 4 |
| Kavala | 552668 | oriental | 4 |
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Why 4? Try at least 8 of each. If this season goes well and I believe it will than you will ask yourself: "Why the hell I didn't grow at least 10 of...", let say Pennsylvania red or Little Dutch,...
I'm thinking if we collect each week for two leaves than you need to have 16-20 plants of one variety to make one string or one hand of tobacco.
In your case you will get 8 leaves or you'll need to collect 4 leaves at time. But you have plenty of space, right?
Good luck my brother.
I'm thinking if we collect each week for two leaves than you need to have 16-20 plants of one variety to make one string or one hand of tobacco.
In your case you will get 8 leaves or you'll need to collect 4 leaves at time. But you have plenty of space, right?
Good luck my brother.
Hey knucks, Looking at your grow list (that keeps "growing") You can use the Little Dutch for filler, use the Penn Red as a binder and wrap it with a Glessnor wrapper and you'd have an American cigar like made in the 1870's-1880's.
168 plants is all I want to fool with this year. The seed grow outs will be four plants of each. 48 each of Maryland 609 and VA 355 dark air. I have about 100 lbs. in storage of 100+ different varieties to sample and taste. Most of which I'm waiting on to age. One day I'll settle on a few favorites to rotate out each year and keep my varieties per year down to a manageable level. I don't want to grow out a lot of a variety I may not like very much so my first few years are to find out what I like best and want to keep growing. Plus refreshing seed. I have 374 varieties in my seed bank now, but have only refreshed a little over 100 varieties so far. So much to do and so little time...
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Good Luck this yr. Good to see you not going to try to kill yourself this yr. growing Baccy.
Have a pleasant Enjoyable Grow Season.
I Wish I had the the mental ability to cut back some.
Have a pleasant Enjoyable Grow Season.
I Wish I had the the mental ability to cut back some.
Thanks, same to you. After the 75 variety blow out last year I need a break. That was too much like work for me.
well knuck... that leaf you sent me.. im gonna put to use tomorrow,... and roll me a stick, just rehydrating some of big-bonners filler tonight.
ill have pic''s... it's been 3 years since i last roolled a stoggie,
ill have pic''s... it's been 3 years since i last roolled a stoggie,
Indianamac
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Good luck Knuck!!
Aside from the five grow out varieties that were seeded from 1-2 weeks after the bulk of my seeding, I have thinned down all the seedlings to one per cell. I thinned them down over a period of several days, thinning to about 5 per cell, then about 3, and then down to one per cell, keeping the best plants. I don't know if little baby seedlings suffer from transplant shock, but I avoid this by seeding direct to my cells and thinning later. I move very few seedlings, but occasionally I may have to move a nice seedling into another cell that has no nice seedlings. I thin before any lateral roots are put out so the seedling roots are not entwined and suffer no damage from its neighbors at thinning time. Another way to avoid damage is to use Bob's method of moving the seed immediately after the little root shoot has passed the outer shell, and just before it can take root in your starting soil. The main thing is to use the method that works best for you and your set up.
I also gave them their first dose of Epsom Salts and water soluble fertilizer ( http://search.cartserver.com/search...axhits=&bool=AND&keywords=grow+more+urea+free ). Epsom Salts is Magnesium Sulfate and it helps the plant take up nutrients. I added 1 tablespoon of Epsom Salts per gallon of water and watered as usual. A couple days later I added half the strength of my normal feeding rate of fertilizer. Normal rate is 750ppm TDS for flue cure and orientals and 900ppm TDS for all others. I measure this with a Hanna TDS Meter. My first dose was half strength. When I water again in 2-3 days, I will not use the Epsom Salts but will use the fertilizer at normal strength each time I water, until the seedlings are ready to be hardened off. Then they will go outside during the day until night time temps are consistently above 40F. Then they will stay outside unless the weather gets really bad. I will starve them awhile between waterings. (Beginning two weeks before I intend to plant the patch)
The last two seasons, I didn't start supplemental feeding until I saw some paling of the seedling leaves. Then I knew the fortified soil (fertilizer added at factory) that I had bought had run out of nutrients. I knew then that I had waited too long. This year I started the fertilizing two weeks after first seeding and the plants really jumped in just a couple of days. This seems a great improvement compared to the previous two season where there seemed to be some recovery time needed before the seedlings showed good improvement from the added nutrients. This season there was no paling visible.
I also gave them their first dose of Epsom Salts and water soluble fertilizer ( http://search.cartserver.com/search...axhits=&bool=AND&keywords=grow+more+urea+free ). Epsom Salts is Magnesium Sulfate and it helps the plant take up nutrients. I added 1 tablespoon of Epsom Salts per gallon of water and watered as usual. A couple days later I added half the strength of my normal feeding rate of fertilizer. Normal rate is 750ppm TDS for flue cure and orientals and 900ppm TDS for all others. I measure this with a Hanna TDS Meter. My first dose was half strength. When I water again in 2-3 days, I will not use the Epsom Salts but will use the fertilizer at normal strength each time I water, until the seedlings are ready to be hardened off. Then they will go outside during the day until night time temps are consistently above 40F. Then they will stay outside unless the weather gets really bad. I will starve them awhile between waterings. (Beginning two weeks before I intend to plant the patch)
The last two seasons, I didn't start supplemental feeding until I saw some paling of the seedling leaves. Then I knew the fortified soil (fertilizer added at factory) that I had bought had run out of nutrients. I knew then that I had waited too long. This year I started the fertilizing two weeks after first seeding and the plants really jumped in just a couple of days. This seems a great improvement compared to the previous two season where there seemed to be some recovery time needed before the seedlings showed good improvement from the added nutrients. This season there was no paling visible.
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Interesting that you will grow Izmir-Încekara. If I understand it correctly it don't gives as much tobacco but great nicotine low tobaccos. Some of my most interesting tobacco's this year..
All trays thinned down to one plant per cell. Today I put my lights on a timer. On at 6am, off at 8pm. The plants under my regular fluorescent bulbs were outperforming the ones under the aquarium bulbs so I swapped out the aquarium bulbs for the regular fluorescents. Waiting for them to take off...
I'm going to start letting them dry down just a touch between waterings. Temps next week will be in the 70's but cloudy to partly cloudy. I'll start moving them outside some during the day.
I'm going to start letting them dry down just a touch between waterings. Temps next week will be in the 70's but cloudy to partly cloudy. I'll start moving them outside some during the day.
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DGBAMA
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Going to let mine get to having a quarter sized leaf or so and then move them to the greenhouse until planting time. I did not have a safe place outdoors to properly garden then last year, so this will be nice and maybe they will take less planting shock.
I tilled under the weeds in my patch today. Then added the remainder of my compost and turned that under also. The soil was pretty moist, but this allowed me to till deeper. I'll go over it again once it dries out to till under any new weeds and to powder up the soil. It was a beautiful sunshiny day in the 70's.
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