My tomato plants did die this night. But I most say that I am surprised over my Nicotiana sylvestris (TW:137) that still standing strong and nice.
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Brown Thumb
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Thanks for the heads up, I will try garlic again, ordered a bunch of harneck off greed bag.The Garden is In
This is the time of year that I plant garlic. I'm spacing it about 6" apart. The first image (Anka garlic) is an entire half-bed (~4'x5') of 30 cloves.
I'm going to try my hand at winter growing of sweet onions. This particular variety is an "intermediate-day" onion. I really don't know if it will do well here. I'm also not sure it will survive the winter. I'll find out.
My Czech Broadleaf garlic went into the upper part of the bed, above the onions.
For both the garlic and the onions, I'm planting them not as deep as I have in the past. Again, I'm not sure what the results will be.
For both of these beds, I will rake the plentiful pine needles that drop in the autumn from my large white pine, then pile the needles over the onions and garlic for the winter.
Bob
better late than never. Ain't enought life in a day.
In the past, I've successfully grown grocery store garlic. Any time in November is fine. Just separate the cloves, and plant the root end down, about 6" apart. Ignore 'til June.
Bob
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ChinaVoodoo
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I am always unnecessarily shocked when I see the soil colour in other parts of the world. You get so used to what's normal for your area.
Right now, my soil is bone dry. When wet, it is a deep brown.
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ChinaVoodoo
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I think i crossed zucchini and pumpkin. I used a cotton swab to take pollen from a pumpkin male flower, and spread it on a female zucchini flower. I didn't bag it or label it - it was more on a whim than a serious attempt. Anyways, none of the zucchini look different so i assumed it didn't work. I cut open a zucchini today. I shredded it and squeezed out the juice. It smells exactly like pumpkin. And look at how orange it is.
I think it worked. Or have i never aged a zucchini for a month before eating it?
I think it worked. Or have i never aged a zucchini for a month before eating it?
Zucchini (along with most "summer" squash) is a variety of Cucurbita pepo. Many round, orange pumpkins are also varieties of Cucurbita pepo. So these can cross.
Some varieties of round, orange pumpkins are Cucurbita moschata and some Cucurbita maxima. These can not cross with Zucchini.
So, the first question is the variety of pumpkin used as the pollen source. Some are listed here: http://store.underwoodgardens.com/Pumpkin/products/12/
Secondly, if you performed this attempted cross this very season--the fruit photographed, I would be surprised to see any difference from an uncrossed zucchini, even if the cross were successful. The alteration would be only in the genetics of the seed: F1 seed. When F1 seed is subsequently planted, it should demonstrate the effects of a cross in its fruit (i.e. next year). And if multiple F1 seeds are planted, I would expect to see a variety of differences among those plants.
Although corn that is pollinated by a different variety may taste and look different in that same season, the edible part that we evaluate is the seed. For squash, the fruit would be expected to be produced entirely from the genetics of the plant on which it grows (the female blossom), while only the seed would exhibit genetic changes in the season during which it is crossed.
An additional factor is our traditional usage. Zucchini is usually eaten when immature and tender. If ignored, it may mature just like a winter squash, and will smell and taste different from the immature fruit.
So, I hope you saved the seed to plant next year.
Bob
Some varieties of round, orange pumpkins are Cucurbita moschata and some Cucurbita maxima. These can not cross with Zucchini.
So, the first question is the variety of pumpkin used as the pollen source. Some are listed here: http://store.underwoodgardens.com/Pumpkin/products/12/
Secondly, if you performed this attempted cross this very season--the fruit photographed, I would be surprised to see any difference from an uncrossed zucchini, even if the cross were successful. The alteration would be only in the genetics of the seed: F1 seed. When F1 seed is subsequently planted, it should demonstrate the effects of a cross in its fruit (i.e. next year). And if multiple F1 seeds are planted, I would expect to see a variety of differences among those plants.
Although corn that is pollinated by a different variety may taste and look different in that same season, the edible part that we evaluate is the seed. For squash, the fruit would be expected to be produced entirely from the genetics of the plant on which it grows (the female blossom), while only the seed would exhibit genetic changes in the season during which it is crossed.
An additional factor is our traditional usage. Zucchini is usually eaten when immature and tender. If ignored, it may mature just like a winter squash, and will smell and taste different from the immature fruit.
So, I hope you saved the seed to plant next year.
Bob
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The zucchini was just a generic "green zucchin", while The pumpkin was called Neon pumpkin, a variety that is supposed to only get to max 10lbs. They look like a normal carving pumpkin.
I was wondering if maybe it was just a really ripe zucchini. It's been stored at 8 to 10C in my garage for the last month. That possibility isn't out of the question, but I've never tasted zucchini that was anything like a pumpkin. This is convincingly pumpkin like in flavor and flesh color. Also, it wasn't a particularly large zucchini, maybe 14" long and 4.5" diameter at the widest.
I was confused too because a google search for crosses showed pictures of pumpkinis that looked like a mixture of the two. It makes sense then, like you said, that it looked simply like a zucchini because that's the mother plant. The seeds are big like pumpkin seeds. I find zucchini seeds off this particular plant to have been smaller. I considered roasting them but they were difficult to get out of the pith. These were easily removed.
I hope it works out next year. It would be nice to have this as sort of an early pumpkin that perhaps you could eat at a smaller stage rather than these big ones that all get harvested at the end of the season.
One of the 4 websites I located, selling Neon Pumpkin seed indicated that it was C. pepo, which would cross with zucchini. Unfortunately, a different site labeled it "Neon Hybrid Pumpkin," which means that it would be a crap shoot to use for crossing. The 4 sites may be listing 4 different varieties, all named "Neon." Who knows.
Many inadvertent squash crossings end up producing seed that grows into a gourd, which is simply a squash that tastes bad.
Bob
Many inadvertent squash crossings end up producing seed that grows into a gourd, which is simply a squash that tastes bad.
Bob
Download a ~30 page Seed Saving Guide for gardeners and farmers, produced by Organic Seed Alliance.
DOWNLOAD the GUIDE. (5.4MB)
Source: http://seedalliance.org/publications#publication_category_title_13
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DOWNLOAD the GUIDE. (5.4MB)
Source: http://seedalliance.org/publications#publication_category_title_13
Bob
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What do y'all do to support your tomatoes? Also, to prune, or not to prune?
I like to put a wire tomato cage (~24" diameter) around each plant. You can buy conical cages, but the recent ones I've seen are made from really flimsy wire. If you buy 4' high box fencing, you can make up your own sturdy cages. Cut a length about 3 times the desire cage diameter, then bend hooks onto one cut edge to assemble a cylindrical cage. These can be unhooked and stored flat, if necessary.
I never prune.
Indeterminate varieties will fruit and ripen all season long, but just keep on growing and growing. Determinate varieties are tidier in their growth habit, but tend to ripen a load of tomatoes all at once. Since I plant a lot of tomatoes, I just ignore this determinate/indeterminate thing, and grow whatever varieties I find as transplants. (I've started tomato from seed on many occasions--it's done just like tobacco, but it's generally a pain in the butt when I'm already doing a gazillion tobacco starts.)
Bob
I never prune.
Indeterminate varieties will fruit and ripen all season long, but just keep on growing and growing. Determinate varieties are tidier in their growth habit, but tend to ripen a load of tomatoes all at once. Since I plant a lot of tomatoes, I just ignore this determinate/indeterminate thing, and grow whatever varieties I find as transplants. (I've started tomato from seed on many occasions--it's done just like tobacco, but it's generally a pain in the butt when I'm already doing a gazillion tobacco starts.)
Bob
ProfessorPangloss
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I used 253 cell tobacco floats last year to start about 1100 tomatoes. Super easy. I plant in long rows and use the Florida weave, which is easy. I prune the indeterminates to 4 or 5 vines.
I stand corrected. I don't plant a lot of tomatoes.
1100 plants x ~12 pounds of fruit per plant = 13,200 pounds of fruit. 13,200/365 = ~36 pounds of tomatoes per day--every day. Yikes!
Bob
ProfessorPangloss
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...for my stand at the farmer's market. I will also try to sell burley plants this year, and maybe some unstemmed kilned burley from last summer (KY15). The potential margin is attractive, and I can just grow more.
Rectifier
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Today I learned about the Florida Weave, cool! I'm going to give this a try for the tomato crop next year. I hate fussing with the cages or wasting time tying them to stakes.
well today we till in the garden's cover crop and get the area ready for the veggies. this year im doing things differentlly.. not really designating a spot for each type of veggie i have.. just gonna make 6 long rows. [ maybe use my drip line ??? ] and have all my veggies just blend in toghter, i may have 5 tomatoe plants. and then right next to them in the same row have some bean bushes,
corn...corn... CORN.... my nemisis.....im planting 3 different types this year... i never have good luck with corn.. will this be the year my luck changes,,????
corn...corn... CORN.... my nemisis.....im planting 3 different types this year... i never have good luck with corn.. will this be the year my luck changes,,????
Chicken,
With corn, you eat the seed itself (rather than the plant), so nearby varieties cross-pollinate each other, and the seed (the stuff you want to eat) is hybridized. Without bagging the tassels and silks, your best bet is to plant only a single variety in a block, rather than long rows.
Bob
With corn, you eat the seed itself (rather than the plant), so nearby varieties cross-pollinate each other, and the seed (the stuff you want to eat) is hybridized. Without bagging the tassels and silks, your best bet is to plant only a single variety in a block, rather than long rows.
Bob
yeap.... it's gonna be in a block.... i used to do my garden horizontally which i had about 12 rows,
this year im going vertical. with only 6 long rows,,,,
my patch is more long than it is wide, [ the veggie garden spot,, that is ] i grow my bacca in a different spot,
one of these 3 varieties im growing.. i picked the ears that this seed come from. the other 2 are commercial seed. '' silver queen '' thats coated in the red '' germination '' solution, and '' burpee brand '' sweet corn,
The edges of a corn plot have the worst ears so the boxier your plot the better your corn. Keep on plugging away though, it'll come through for you.
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