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Of my three Oriental type verities Samsun-Maden from GRIN. Costa Rica 589 and Duzce from HasseSWE. The Samsun and C.589 are showing an awesome incandescent glow to the leaves that I have never seen in my other types grown. These pictures do not show the absolute amazing beauty and promise that I feel these plants hold but, take a peek.IMG_0525.jpgIMG_0526.jpg Darn sideways pictures. My new iPad will be here in a couple days and I may be able to get off this dinosaur H.P.
 

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0031C44A-1241-473C-B31D-40DF6F5B9666.jpgI have 7 Düzce plants one of which is not shown. They are fairly healthy. One has an odd looking spot on the leaf not sure what it is.
 

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Very healthy looking plants. Its hard to see but the spot almost looks as if the leaf was wet and then subject to high heat (sunburn).

All this talk of Duzce I pulled my crop out from 4 years ago and it is indeed a very tasty Turkish. I wasn't a big fan of it when I first grew it but 4 years did something magical to it.
 

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Very healthy looking plants. Its hard to see but the spot almost looks as if the leaf was wet and then subject to high heat (sunburn).

All this talk of Duzce I pulled my crop out from 4 years ago and it is indeed a very tasty Turkish. I wasn't a big fan of it when I first grew it but 4 years did something magical to it.
Yes, I am just not sure what the spot is. I am trying to take extra care with the Düzce, Samsun- Madden, Costa-Rica 589, and the Semois. What does the Düzce taste like?
 

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I blame Jitterbugdude for my obsession with Duzce! I'd never heard of it until he sent me a sample among several other orientals. I smoked it straight a few times, and found that it had a very aromatic, almost incense-like quality (in a good way!). The aroma was really nice. It was very different from the other orientals, which I found to be more earthy and vegetal.
Yes, I am just not sure what the spot is. I am trying to take extra care with the Düzce, Samsun- Madden, Costa-Rica 589, and the Semois. What does the Düzce taste like?
 

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FA8A9F1E-1F17-49F3-898A-13D0CD13A322.jpgMy Düzce has gone from lush to looking a bit fried in the past few days and it’s affecting a few of them. I believe the problem is chemical burn from using 1-0.5-1 rapid start fertilizer. I have been using five drops per gallon, image.jpgimage.jpgon the last mix I got brave and put seven drops per gallon. I’ve been using this stuff the whole time without issue. So tonight I am going to transplant them and hope that the new soil will leach some of the Nitrates off. I will also cut off the dead leaves. Most of my other plants are looking well. Will post them later. OPINIONS?????
 

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It's quite possible that the fertilizer is causing problems, so you are wise to replant. Many folks will tell you that the seedlings don't need fertilizers until they are ready for transplant.
Are you sure that leaves are not touching the grow light bulbs? That could also cause problems if they give off heat.
 

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It's looking like the leaf have been in direct contact with nutrition. Yes we will hope for the best.
 

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I would avoid boutique fertilizer preparations.

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While the N:p:K looks modest, how much is delivered to the plants depends on the dosing quantity and frequency. The diethylenetriaminepentaacetic acid (DTPA) chelating agent is a wild one to see here. I don't know what it does to seedlings, or what all it binds within the soil. Molybdenum impacts Manganese absorption--again, crazy stuff. There is no mention of pH on the label.

In the image page below, the Paul Bachi images show serious overfertilization of small seedlings. (Click on one, select Image Detail Page for a brief narrative.)

https://www.ipmimages.org/browse/subthumb.cfm?sub=3170&area=62

It's also possible that the necrotic patches represent a bacterial infection. But I can't tell.

So, all in all, I would agree with your plan to rescue them with new soil. Good luck.

Bob
 

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It could be very likely that I sprayed the leaves. I am running T12 bulbs also but have kept them well above my plants without them becoming the least bit leggy. I’m leaving on a trip for the rest of the week so my wife will be in charge of their care. I trimmed just about all of the plants this evening and separated them. Placing my most important ones on the top shelf. I however, did not get to transplant the Düzce... Instead I trimmed all the lower seed leaves off and the affected areas that were damaged. Hopefully, when I return they will be in good condition. What’s puzzling is none of the other types seem to be affected. Not even the solitary Düzce plant that was transplanted into a paper pot some days ago.
 

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I would avoid boutique fertilizer preparations.

GenHydro_fert.jpg


While the N:p:K looks modest, how much is delivered to the plants depends on the dosing quantity and frequency. The diethylenetriaminepentaacetic acid (DTPA) chelating agent is a wild one to see here. I don't know what it does to seedlings, or what all it binds within the soil. Molybdenum impacts Manganese absorption--again, crazy stuff. There is no mention of pH on the label.

In the image page below, the Paul Bachi images show serious overfertilization of small seedlings. (Click on one, select Image Detail Page for a brief narrative.)

https://www.ipmimages.org/browse/subthumb.cfm?sub=3170&area=62

It's also possible that the necrotic patches represent a bacterial infection. But I can't tell.

So, all in all, I would agree with your plan to rescue them with new soil. Good luck.

Bob
wow, I looked at those pictures and them babies looked bad. I’m done with that fertilizer as well.
 

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2CB03C59-817D-49B5-9129-08513BC0DFBC.jpgB2C2AB1F-D855-480D-AF44-CF3945BD2D8D.jpgThese two types are outstanding with lots of promise. The leaves are very sticky already and have a pine or lemon scent quality, The leaves are also different than anything I have ever seen they grow all the way down the stem. I need to research the proper terminology for this. This is by and far the best start to any growing year that I have ever had.!!
 

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EDE49C0A-1D8B-466D-B668-DD12609AD980.jpgB643D661-F750-4BC8-8840-2EF9D158F583.jpg8B8CD916-4177-40FB-9D42-2B4C7AB7B12C.jpgAnd finally the rest of the crew! All of my plants are very sturdy. This seasons start has been such a blessing and so far some of my best learning experience.
 

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A2D70A78-E099-404C-80D3-FA37DE543DAA.jpgSome of my plants continue to get these spots and are yellowing. Just not sure what is up. Maybe the salt from my water softener? I’ve stopped spraying them. Also wonder about some type of nutritional deficiencies
 
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