Ooh I forgot to tell you. I use to grow cigar tobacco but I don't make any cigar. I have done a few cigarettes and some pipe tobacco but normally only oral-snuff (snus). So I ain't the best member to speak smoking tobacco with.
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I think this pdf can become interesting for some members.
Thank you, Hasse, for that link. The 77 page article is fairly technical. I've extracted a simple, 1 page chart from it that lists all the tobacco viruses and their principal modes of transmission, and placed the link to that one page in the Index of Key Forum Threads:
1 page chart of tobacco viruses, as a pdf
Bob
1 page chart of tobacco viruses, as a pdf
Bob
I have been spending some time and found 2 dark types of tobacco with Pvy resistance:
But if I was you I should spend some times to think about it because they are both Sterile hybrid's. So you can't take seed from them and grow next season..
If you look at my screenshot's they also tell you that the types are "dark-air Paraguay style". That's means a broad-leaf dark tobacco that you can grow under shade. This types of tobacco is used mainly for French-style dark cigarettes, cigars, pipe tobacco and snuff.
I also found some Burley variant that sometimes shall be used as Cigar-filler's. Some of those ain't Sterile hybrid's but most of them have little less protection for PVY (But still some). I think I found one Burley variant that I shall take a little better look at and see if I going to order.
Those should not give you what you first asked of but perhaps a great cigar.
You can keep it in mind if you'r grow ain't working as you hope. The problem with PVY is a problem and variant's with resistance can still get the problem.
But if I was you I should spend some times to think about it because they are both Sterile hybrid's. So you can't take seed from them and grow next season..
If you look at my screenshot's they also tell you that the types are "dark-air Paraguay style". That's means a broad-leaf dark tobacco that you can grow under shade. This types of tobacco is used mainly for French-style dark cigarettes, cigars, pipe tobacco and snuff.
I also found some Burley variant that sometimes shall be used as Cigar-filler's. Some of those ain't Sterile hybrid's but most of them have little less protection for PVY (But still some). I think I found one Burley variant that I shall take a little better look at and see if I going to order.
Those should not give you what you first asked of but perhaps a great cigar.
You can keep it in mind if you'r grow ain't working as you hope. The problem with PVY is a problem and variant's with resistance can still get the problem.
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@ Hasse SWE Thanks for all this information. Incredible what you can find!
Actually it's a pity and not in my mind, if I can not plant the seeds of the plant. If you order seeds and plan to plant these tobaccos, I'll be very curious to see the result!
For the next crop, I will plant the Piloto Cubano variety and see the result. I also look forward to seeing the plants of Nostrano Cubano from Ciennepi next season.
Actually it's a pity and not in my mind, if I can not plant the seeds of the plant. If you order seeds and plan to plant these tobaccos, I'll be very curious to see the result!
For the next crop, I will plant the Piloto Cubano variety and see the result. I also look forward to seeing the plants of Nostrano Cubano from Ciennepi next season.
Petzi:
I don't want to grow sterile hybrids. My thing is to grow plants I appreciate and sometimes think that others sometimes appreciate for its historical value and sometimes more for quality and yield.
Sweden has problems with mixed PVY but compared to several other European countries the level is medium-low.
The darker green area where PVY is most commonly (the red point is my location):
There are mainly two reasons why PVY is a concern in Swedish potato crops (Sweden is no tobacco producer so I can't tell how bad pvy are in big tobacco plantage).
Firstly, we have a limit value of 10% PVY infected seed potatoes (the country has major problems even coping with this limit value).
The second problem is the aphids that spread the infection from infected plants to healthy ones. This is unfortunately a small problem I potato (and tomato plantations) men in the tobacco it can be en gulfoilspill.
2010 was the first time Sweden had a mass innovation of German or Polish aphids of the same type that Europe has the greatest concern with (Acyrthosiphon Chaetosiphon fragaefolii). It has never been found in Sweden before but can now be here to stay.
Unfortunately, the climate that for us hobbyists is very favorable is also favorable for this little bastard creature. Which so far "only" has been found in these areas in Sweden (the areas around the orange points):
I don't want to grow sterile hybrids. My thing is to grow plants I appreciate and sometimes think that others sometimes appreciate for its historical value and sometimes more for quality and yield.
Sweden has problems with mixed PVY but compared to several other European countries the level is medium-low.
The darker green area where PVY is most commonly (the red point is my location):
There are mainly two reasons why PVY is a concern in Swedish potato crops (Sweden is no tobacco producer so I can't tell how bad pvy are in big tobacco plantage).
Firstly, we have a limit value of 10% PVY infected seed potatoes (the country has major problems even coping with this limit value).
The second problem is the aphids that spread the infection from infected plants to healthy ones. This is unfortunately a small problem I potato (and tomato plantations) men in the tobacco it can be en gulfoilspill.
2010 was the first time Sweden had a mass innovation of German or Polish aphids of the same type that Europe has the greatest concern with (Acyrthosiphon Chaetosiphon fragaefolii). It has never been found in Sweden before but can now be here to stay.
Unfortunately, the climate that for us hobbyists is very favorable is also favorable for this little bastard creature. Which so far "only" has been found in these areas in Sweden (the areas around the orange points):
-So I hope that I don't need to grow those Dark hybrid's but I think it's a good idea to be prepared for a PVY innovation here in Sweden. So I will see if I can get those seed but I will not take them in to my grow yet.
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Hi Petzi and excuse for the late answers.
I have heavly infected PVY soil and this year I grow Piloto Cubano PR and Bahia (both with wery good resistance to PVY) and Little Dutch and Vuelta Abajo (both heavly infected).
You ask me to describe the Nostrano del Brenta strain. It's not an easy task (I don't speak well english)
For my limited experience it's a massive plant with big and thick leaves. They kiln to the most dark color respect every other cigar strain (the volado leafs came out from the kiln to a dark brown).
It is very hardy to PVY.
In contrast to it's appearance, in a cigar it is mild and with an aroma wich to me seems to remember chocolate.
I have find that it is better suited for filler and binder due to his thick lamina.
When I blend a cigar with Nostrano del Brenta I always add a strong tobacco (ligero of Vuelta Abajo or a leaf of Perique) to add more strenght and nicotine kick . I smoke few cigars or cigarettes (one or two per week) but when I smoke I like my heads to turn around
I have heavly infected PVY soil and this year I grow Piloto Cubano PR and Bahia (both with wery good resistance to PVY) and Little Dutch and Vuelta Abajo (both heavly infected).
You ask me to describe the Nostrano del Brenta strain. It's not an easy task (I don't speak well english)
For my limited experience it's a massive plant with big and thick leaves. They kiln to the most dark color respect every other cigar strain (the volado leafs came out from the kiln to a dark brown).
It is very hardy to PVY.
In contrast to it's appearance, in a cigar it is mild and with an aroma wich to me seems to remember chocolate.
I have find that it is better suited for filler and binder due to his thick lamina.
When I blend a cigar with Nostrano del Brenta I always add a strong tobacco (ligero of Vuelta Abajo or a leaf of Perique) to add more strenght and nicotine kick . I smoke few cigars or cigarettes (one or two per week) but when I smoke I like my heads to turn around
Petzi
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@Hasse SWE Thank you for your very interesting presentation on Swedish soil and its possible evolution. For my part, I cannot speak on Swiss soil, because I have very little experience in growing tobacco. Next summer, I challenge myself to make a small historical and current record on Swiss tobacco varieties. To come up...
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No stress, it's the end of the year and there is always a lot to do. Thank you for your answer and your information on the taba Nostrano del Brenta. I think it's a variety that I'm really going to try to plant. Mild tast. Resistant to the pvy virus. Andemic of the Alps. I would like to have a bigger garden to plant all varieties that interest me. I will take my time and each year a new one.
Speaking of cigars, I rolled my first one yesterday. The Ohio Dutch out of the kiln chamber. I let the rolled cigar stand for a week. Nice discovery. My leaves are very dark (Seco and Ligero). The Volado are dark brown. The taste is very sweet. I used tap water (limestone). I see that it appears on the dried leaves and gives me a not very beautiful wrapper ... but for my tests it is the taste which prevails.
No stress, it's the end of the year and there is always a lot to do. Thank you for your answer and your information on the taba Nostrano del Brenta. I think it's a variety that I'm really going to try to plant. Mild tast. Resistant to the pvy virus. Andemic of the Alps. I would like to have a bigger garden to plant all varieties that interest me. I will take my time and each year a new one.
Speaking of cigars, I rolled my first one yesterday. The Ohio Dutch out of the kiln chamber. I let the rolled cigar stand for a week. Nice discovery. My leaves are very dark (Seco and Ligero). The Volado are dark brown. The taste is very sweet. I used tap water (limestone). I see that it appears on the dried leaves and gives me a not very beautiful wrapper ... but for my tests it is the taste which prevails.
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