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I dont think poisenous but the chickens tho young didnt eat them...

They get over 2 " long and I have seen them moving in packs too..... They move very quick and steady but have no idea how they found my plants?????????????
 

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the University of Florida, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences (UF/IFAS) has this on its site and allows copy if credit given to them as is being done here. Keep up the good work UF and thanks

common name: saltmarsh caterpillar



scientific name: Estigmene acrea (Drury) (Insecta: Lepidoptera: Arctiidae)

Distribution - Descripton and Life Cycle - Host Plants - Damage - Natural Enemies - Management - Selected References

Distribution (Back to Top)

The saltmarsh caterpillar, Estigmene acrea (Drury), is a native insect found throughout the United States. Its distribution extends to Central America, and in Canada it has damaged crops in Ontario and Quebec. As a pest, it is most common in the southern United States, particularly the southwest.
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Figure 1. Adult saltmarsh caterpillars, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by John L. Capinera, University of Florida.
Description and Life Cycle (Back to Top)

A generation can be completed in 35 to 40 days under ideal conditions, but most reports from the field suggest about six weeks between generations. The number of generations per year is estimated at one in the northern states to three to four in the south. Overwintering reportedly occurs in the mature larval stage, with pupation early in the spring. Saltmarsh caterpillars usually are infrequent early in the season, but may attain high numbers by autumn.
Eggs: The eggs are nearly spherical in shape, and measure about 0.6 mm in diameter. Initially they are yellow, but soon become grayish in color. Females commonly produce 400 to 1000 eggs in one or more clusters. It is not unusual to find a single egg cluster containing 1200 eggs. Eggs hatch in four to five days.
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Figure 2. Eggs of the saltmarsh caterpillar, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by John L. Capinera, University of Florida.
Larvae: There are five to seven instars. The following description is based on Hinds (1904), who observed five instars in Texas. Upon hatching the larvae are about 2 mm in length, brown in color, and bear numerous long over the entire length of the body. During this stage, and the subsequent instar, larvae feed gregariously on the lower leaf surface, usually failing to eat entirely through the leaf. Larvae attain a length of about 10 mm during the first instar. Second instars display longitudinal stripes, usually brown, yellowish, and white, and the body hairs become darker. Larvae attain a length of about 15 mm. During the third instar, larvae become darker, but a consistent color pattern is not apparent. Larvae attain a length of about 30 mm. In the fourth and fifth instars, larvae maintain the same general appearance as earlier stages, but grow to a length of about 45 and 55 mm, respectively. Larvae usually are dark, but sometimes are yellowish brown or straw colored. The larvae are marked by long body hairs, and these also vary in color from cream or grayish to yellowish brown to dark brown. Although they are decidedly hairy, the hairs are not as dense or as stiff as those found in woollybear larvae. Duration of larval development was 24 to 37 days. In contrast, Young and Sifuentes (1959) and Capinera (1978b) reported six instars in Mexico and Colorado, respectively. Development time of the six instars was about 3, 2, 2, 2, 3, and 8 days, respectively, for a larval period of 20 to 22 days, depending on diet. However, some studies have reported longer larval periods, up to about 45 days.
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Figure 3. Aggregation of young saltmarsh caterpillars, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by John L. Capinera, University of Florida.
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Figure 4. Young saltmarsh caterpillar, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by John L. Capinera, University of Florida.
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Figure 5. Intermediate stage of the saltmarsh caterpillar, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by John L. Capinera, University of Florida.
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Figure 6. Mature saltmarsh caterpillar, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by John L. Capinera, University of Florida.
Larvae are active dispersers, a habit that is relatively uncommon among caterpillars. Most commonly, late instar larvae are found individually or in large numbers ambling over the soil, searching for suitable food. Damage to margins of crop fields often occurs as such larvae desert drying weeds for irrigated crops. Stracener (1931) reported that young larvae drop readily from plants when disturbed, spin a strand of silk, and are blown considerable distances by wind. Frequency of distribution by wind is unknown.
Pupae: Pupation occurs on the soil among leaf debris, in a thin cocoon formed from silken hairs interwoven with caterpillar body hairs. The dark brown pupae measures about 30 mm in length. Duration of the pupal stage is about 12 to 14 days.
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Figure 7. Pupa (above) and adult of the saltmarsh caterpillar, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by Lyle J. Buss, University of Florida.
Adult: Adults are fairly large moths, measuring 3.5 to 4.5 cm in wingspan, and are distinctive in appearance. They are predominantly white in color, although generally the wings bear numerous, small, irregular black spots. The hind wings of the male are yellow; those of the female are white. The underside of the male's front wings may also be tinted yellowish. Most of the abdominal segments are yellow, and bear a series of large black spots dorsally. Mating occurs the evening following emergence, and egg deposition the next evening. Females usually live only four to five days, but may produce more than one cluster of eggs.
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Figure 8. Adult female saltmarsh caterpillar, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by John L. Capinera, University of Florida.
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Figure 9. Adult male saltmarsh caterpillar, Estigmene acrea (Drury). Photograph by John L. Capinera, University of Florida.
Host Plants (Back to Top)

Saltmarsh caterpillar's peculiar common name is derived from initial description as a pest of salt-grass hay grown in the vicinity of Boston. This is an anomaly, and despite the wide host range of this insect, grasses are not particularly preferred. Broadleaf weeds are the normal host plants, but larvae commonly disperse from these late in the growing season to damage vegetable and field crops. Vegetables injured include asparagus, bean, beet, cabbage, carrot, celery, corn, lettuce, onion, pea, tomato, turnip, and probably others. Field crops damaged are alfalfa, clover, cotton, soybean, sugarbeet, and tobacco. The favored weed host seems to be pigweed, Amaranthus spp., but many others may be consumed, including anglepod, Gonolobus sp.; sicklepod, Cassia tora; dog fennel, Eupatorium capillifolium; ground cherry, Physalis spp.; and mallow, Anoda sp.
Damage (Back to Top)

Larvae are defoliators. Young larvae feed gregariously and skeletonize foliage. Older larvae are solitary and eat large holes in leaf tissue. Older larvae may disperse long distances in search of food, sometimes moving in large numbers. Commonly this is associated with maturation of cotton or weeds in the autumn. Thus, these caterpillars tend to be damaging to fall-planted crops. Foliage consumption at least doubles with each succeeding instar, and mature larvae can consume over 13 sq cm of thick-leaved foliage, such as sugarbeet, daily (Capinera 1978). Capinera et al. (1987) measured bean foliage consumption by each instar, and recorded over 400 sq cm of foliage consumed during the life of a caterpillar. Further, they estimated that one to 1.5 mature caterpillars per plant could inflict 20% defoliation to a bean plant, a level adequate to cause yield loss.
Natural Enemies (Back to Top)

Saltmarsh caterpillar larvae frequently are parasitized, particularly by tachinids (Diptera: Tachinidae). In Arizona, the most common parasitoids were Exorista mellea (Walker) and Leschenaultia adusta (Loew), but Gymnocarcelia ricinorum Townsend and Lespesia archippivora (Riley) were also observed (Taylor 1954). Jackson et al. (1970) documented the biology and importance of L. adusta. Arnaud (1978) reports additional species of tachinids associated with saltmarsh caterpillar.
Hymenopteran parasitoids are known from both the larval and egg stages (Taylor 1954, Taylor and Stern 1971), and include Apanteles diacrisiae Gahan (Braconidae); Therion fuscipenne (Norton), T. morio (Fabricius), Casinaria genuina (Norton), Hyposoter rivalis (Cresson) (all Ichneumonidae); Psychophagus omnivorus (Walker), Tritneptis hemerocampae Vierick (both Pteromalidae); Anastatus reduvii (Howard) (Eupelmidae); and Trichogramma semifumatum (Perkins) (Trichogrammatidae).
A cytoplasmic polyhedrosis virus is known (Langridge 1983), but there are little data on importance.
General predators such as lady beetles (Coleoptera: Coccinellidae), softwinged flower beetles (Coleoptera: Melydridae), and assassin bugs (Hemiptera: Reduviidae) prey on these caterpillars, but are not thought to be very important in population regulation (Young and Sifuentes 1959).
Management (Back to Top)

Insecticides are commonly used to suppress saltmarsh caterpillars if they become abundant in vegetable crops. Baits are not effective. Most damage occurs at field margins as larvae disperse into crops from nearby senescent vegetation. Both chemical insecticides and Bacillus thuringiensis are recommended. Physical barriers, including ditches or trenches with steep sides, can be used to interrupt invasion of crops by caterpillars.
Insect Management Guide for field crops
Insect Management Guide for vegetables
Selected References (Back to Top)


  • Arnaud Jr PH. 1978. A host-parasite catalog of North American Tachinidae (Diptera). U.S. Department of Agriculture Miscellaneous Publication 1319. 860 pp.
  • Capinera JL. 1978. Consumption of sugarbeet foliage by the saltmarsh caterpillar. Journal of Economic Entomology 71: 661-663.
  • Capinera JL. 2001. Handbook of Vegetable Pests. Academic Press, San Diego. 729 pp.
  • Capinera JL, Horton DR, Epsky ND, Chapman PL. 1987. Effects of plant density and late-season defoliation on yield of field beans. Environmental Entomology 16: 274-280.
  • Jackson CG, Bryan DE, Butler GD Jr, Patana R. 1970. Development, fecundity, and longevity of Leschenaultia adusta, a tachinid parasite of the salt-marsh caterpillar. Journal of Economic Entomology 63: 1396-1397.
  • Langridge WHR. 1983. Characterization of a cytoplasmic polyhedrosis virus from Estigmene acrea (Lepidoptera). Journal of Invertebrate Pathology 42: 259-263.
  • Stracener CL. 1931. Economic importance of the salt-marsh caterpillar (Estigmene acraea Drury) in Louisiana. Journal of Economic Entomology 24: 835-838.
  • Taylor EA. 1954. Parasitization of the salt-marsh caterpillar in Arizona. Journal of Economic Entomology 47: 525-530.
  • Taylor TA, Stern VM. 1971. Host-preference studies with the egg parasite Trichogramma semifumatum (Hymenoptera: Trichogrammatidae). Annals of the Entomological Society of America 64: 1381-1390.
  • Wilkerson JL, Webb SE, Capinera JL. (2005). Vegetable Pests III: Lepidoptera. UF/IFAS CD-ROM. SW 182.
  • Young WR, Sifuentes JA. 1959. Biological and control studies on Estigmene acrea (Drury), a pest of corn in the Yaqui Valley, Sonora, Mexico. Journal of Economic Entomology 52: 1109-1111.

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Photographs: John L. Capinera and Lyle J. Buss, University of Florida
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Both chemical insecticides and Bacillus thuringiensis are recommended. Physical barriers, including ditches or trenches with steep sides, can be used to interrupt invasion of crops by caterpillars. You have to see an "invasion" to appreciate the trench and ditch control :) Reminds me of that ole Popeye cartoon where the termites were trying to eat his house and he went to making it all iron except his pipe which they ate in the last frames of the cartoon
 

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Found a few larva on the plants today..... [not my pic]

Also added epsom salts to one row and some of the microbe stuff. Will withhold water for a few days also once all the additives have been added .

Yellowing seems to be getting worse on a limited few plants and I am hoping to narrow it down to one potting mix if it is a fertilizer issue since a few mixs may have to much compost and manure..

NOTE: None of the plants have recieved full strength application of miraclegro and most of the nutrients would have came from new potting mix. Have had seedlings on 1/4 strength all their lives.

The little cups seem to doing better since they dryed out as well leading me to think over watering as well. Fertilized them in trough a little today and added microbes too.

NOTE to myself:Add drains and float valve to gutters . Need to be able to drain when needed. Use even a cork for plug for economy

FYI, The Bt used for potatoe beetles is different that Bt used for other pests. Read the label before you buy.

I have seen that pest on potatoes but never prolificly. The thuricide for tobacco I use just went up 50% from last year localy.
 

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Pupae: Pupation occurs on the soil among leaf debris, in a thin cocoon formed from silken hairs interwoven with caterpillar body hairs. The dark brown pupae measures about 30 mm in length. Duration of the pupal stage is about 12 to 14 days.

This would be the time when a flock of ducks or chickens would be a great thing to have :)
 

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Sunuvabitch! another worm! Different kind here too................:) I think is inch worm and first is hornworm.

HORNWORM VIDEO; HE WOULDNT COOPERATE
 

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Could be a cabage looper too?????


cabbage looper

cabbage looper, moth larva, Trichoplusia ni, that feeds by night on the leaves of cabbage and related plants and is a serious agricultural pest. Like the inchworms (of another moth family), cabbage loopers lack walking appendages in the middle of the body and progress by drawing the rear end up to the front end and then straightening. A cabbage looper has a smooth green body with a white stripe along each side and reaches a length of 11/4 in. (3.2 cm). It pupates in a cocoon on the underside of a leaf. The adult moth is brown with a white spot on each wing. Cabbage loopers are classified in the phylum Arthropoda, class Insecta, order Lepidoptera, family Noctuidae.

inchworm

inchworm, name for the larvae of moths of the family Geometridae, a large, cosmopolitan group with over 1,200 species indigenous to North America. Also called measuring worms, spanworms, and loopers, inchworms lack appendages in the middle portion of their body, causing them to have a characteristic looping gait. They have three pairs of true legs at the front end, like other caterpillars, but only two or three pairs of prolegs (larval abdominal appendages), located at the rear end. An inchworm moves by drawing its hind end forward while holding on with the front legs, then advancing its front section while holding on with the prolegs. Inchworms have smooth, hairless bodies, usually about 1 in. (2.5 cm) long. They are green, brown, or black and in many species have irregular projections that cause them to resemble the twigs of the trees they feed on. Many inchworms, when disturbed, stand erect and motionless on the prolegs, increasing the resemblance. Certain destructive inchworms are called cankerworms. Adult geometrid moths range in wingspread from 3/8 in. to 2 in. (9.5–51 mm). Most are gray or brown with fine patterns and are well camouflaged on trees. The cabbage looper is not an inchworm, but a caterpillar of a different family. Inchworms are classified in the phylum Arthropoda, class Insecta, order Lepidoptera, family Geometridae.
 

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I lucked out, kind of, last year. I had loopers in the growth buds early, but the hornworms didn't show up until later. As bad as hornworms can be, I thing the loopers do more damage faster. Thuricide (sp?) works for both problems, spray into the growth bud well and then on the rest of the plant every 4th day. If I couldn't find any hornworm eggs, I just sprayed the bud.
 

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Here is the saltwater caterpillar........

Also the yellowing of plants is still there and no progress towards fixing it yet...... Only thing left is more lime I think...................... Tryed iron foliar spray and in ground application and miracle grow and used more epsom salts too....
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YELLOW MARKERS SHOWS FOLIAR SPRAY FOR IRON... THE ORANGE WERE MIRACLE GROW................ I think :(
 

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Musing about the situation:

1] plants undergo a period of slow growth upto 2 weeks after transplanting according to some people. These are just now at 1 week since transplanting.===>>>> TRUE or FALSE

2] Most of the corrective measure I have used has been applied "safe" distance from stem WHICH can cause it not to be absorbed by new transplant thus delaying desired result.

3] Will get ph and moisture meter to find about soil conditions... I have noticed that when my flats dry to almost or wilting that I do not have many symptoms.............. So over watering as cause could still be problem.

4] When making soil mixs most call for cup of lime and handful of epsom salts and when I made mine I added that amount to recipe and that made like 5 buckets of mix which shorted the plants 80% of what is generally reccomended............

5] ALSO NOTED: My city water reeks of chlorine! May not be to much issue as any water other than enuff to wash in the adjusting nutrients is thru gutter which has had time to evaporate the chlorine...... But not the chlorides which I am sure is in our water as we are seaside community.
 

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I have noticed that when my flats dry to almost or wilting that I do not have many symptoms.............. So over watering as cause could still be problem.
My first thought is that they look overwatered. Unfortunately, all the various additives and remedies that you've added confuse the issue. Also, there are the questions of:
  • what is in the bottom of the pot?
  • are the drainage holes adequate?
  • are the pots always sitting in water?
  • what varieties of tobacco are shown in the blurry photos?
Regardless, overwatering is the most common cause of yellowing tobacco plants.

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*what is in the bottom of the pot?

3" grow cup which is slotted cup used in hydroponics.

*are the drainage holes adequate?

According to most who use the system claim it is more than adaquate

*are the pots always sitting in water?

Yes the grow cup alone is in the water constantly.

*what varieties of tobacco are shown in the blurry photos?

Virginia bright leaf only. all from same planting.

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I think it's a very hard thing not to overwater a tobacco plant in a rain-gutter system ... Larry Hall who invented this system did so because he wanted to plant tobacco in his main veggie growing ground. I don't understand this fully - so don't take what I say as gospel ... but tobacco traditionally doesn't like wet roots - and once the roots get to the bottom of the tubs then they will be wet even if they only take water as needed.

Are your plants only in this system until they are ready to go out, or is this the plan for the whole grow?
 
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