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Bex

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And pretty darned happy to have found this website!! I live on the northwest coast of Ireland by the sea- windy, rainy, cool, etc. Originally from New York (Long Island) and not much of a gardener, my idea when moving here was to become 'self-sufficient'. Fast forward about 15 years later, and I grow most of my own veg. So, it was a natural progression, a few years ago, to try my hand at growing tobacco. I'm a 'middle-aged' female, pretty self sufficient, and live by myself (with, of course, the myriad of cats that older females are required to have...). Anyway, I bought Virginia and Burley seeds off the internet a few years ago and planted some in my tiny greenhouse. I allowed 10 to keep growing (and stupidly, never identified which was the Virginia or the Burley) and then let 2 go to seed to collect my own seeds (meaning, of course, I don't know what kind of tobacco I have). In the meantime, I was scouring the internet for ways to process my leaves....
Talk about an exercise in confusion - aside from the different definitions for the same word - how many definitions are there for 'curing' anyway - much of the information came from different climates, as well. My first year, I hung the leaves from my 10 plants in the shed. Sadly, in Ireland, it isn't warm enough or dry enough for this method, which I learned to my dismay, as everything was attacked by mold, almost overnight. The second year, I had about 20 plants going, and found a site from the UK that uses a 'toweling' method - toweling the leaves up in a seed propagator for heat in order to yellow them. This worked well enough for yellowing, but the steps afterward were a bit 'iffy'. My leaves yellowed, were then hung to brown and dry, and to this day, the smoke is pretty harsh. It works well enough to mix with the leaves I get off the internet, but it's not a stand alone product.
This year, I have about 100 plants going. The idea of trying to towel this is overwhelming, so, once again, I've spent hours scouring the internet for a solution. I had read about flue curing, of course, but it seemed awfully technical and I didn't have any of the necessary equipment (or knowledge). And then, yesterday afternoon, the gods were smiling and I came across deluxestogie's excellent Cozy Can thread. This, now, is my future. I hope.
My plants are doing well, although a bit slow this year. But I look forward to learning more from this forum, and maybe, in time, contributing some of my experience as well.....
 

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Welcome Bex! Sounds like you have what it takes to make growing and curing your own work ... it takes all of us a few years to really get a grasp on what it takes to cure some nice leaf of our own.

I'm in Oxford over in the UK and although your climate on the Atlantic coast is bound to be wetter than what we have here - I think we probably share many common problems to overcome! I too have been struck down with mould in every year I have grown - but I'm beginning to work out how to get around it too and it's starting to look more promising.

So - you're right - flue curing the leaf with a method such as the cozy can one is a way to speed up the process and bypass the time needed for air-curing. Another way I've found to avoid the mould is to make a carotte (a tightly bound salami shaped bundle of leaves with their mid-rib stripped ... this makes the tobacco take up far less room and can be cured hanging in the house.

If you did want to air-cure then it's all about the varieties you choose to grow and how early you can get them ripe to pick leaves. Going for shorter season varieties (often referred to as Northern varieties) which can flower, ripen and be picked before the summer weather is over. Also - some varieties air-cure more easily than others - so it's good to try types which others here have had success with quick air-curing.

Here where I am I can air-cure successfully until the end of September/beginning of October in my sheds and greenhouses ... but as soon as the colder nights and wet weather set in the mould begins in a matter of days! And once it starts it can ruin a whole crop. Good air-circulation in the curing space helps ... but once the cold wet nights and grey days start then not much can help you apart from bringing it inside a warm dry house!

This year has been a good hot summer over the UK and I presume Ireland too ... and I am hoping to be able to hang up my leaves in the next couple of weeks and take advantage of the warm August weather to cure my leaves nicely. I will still have to check for mould starting on the mid-ribs especially if there's a few days of thunderstorms - but I hope that I can have more success this time around.

Anyway ... welcome to the forum ... sounds like you're in the right place ... and say hello to the cats from me!
 

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Welcome Bex! Glad you joined us. Yes, the cozy can is a great way to cure your tobacco. It can be built a t a low cost and does an excellent job with the leaf. We have several members from your neck of the woods. Many members also have curing chambers, some small some large. I'm sure all your questions can be answered. We are all trying to find the perfect way to cure tobacco on a home grown scale.
 

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Welcome.

TOASTING is a quick easy method that works well for removing harshness from young cured leaf, especially burley, which can take a couple years or more to age well by itself.
 

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Welcome! Anybody that likes cats is OK with me. In any climate, curing is the hard part. Something along the line of a Cozy Can should be a big help, the size determines how much tobacco you can handle. Keeping it simple and within budget is the challenge, necessity is the mother of invention. Keep plugging away, you'll figure something out. For your tobacco type dilemma, some pictures posted here should get that straightened out pretty quickly. If it doesn't, the mail can bring a fresh start for next season.
 

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Welcome Bex! You might also want to look in to an old freezer with a crock pot. Most people use this for a kiln but in your case I think you could adopt it for use as a curing chamber.
 

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Welcome again. If you'll put a general location in your profile, it will appear on each of your posts, and will be helpful to those members attempting to answer your questions.

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Welcome Bex. You have indeed stumbled onto the right place to find help with your growing. You'll not find a nicer, more knowledgeable, or more helpful assemblage of people anywhere. Best of luck with your season, and if you need help, just give a shout.
 

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Welcome Bex you have come to the right place, there be lots of interesting stuff you can read up on, enjoy your stay.
 

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Welcome Bex. I`m very jelous of you living in Ireland by the sea. I would love to live in Ireland by the sea.
Good luck with the tobacco.
Ben (not by the sea)
 

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Thank you all very much for the warm welcome. So far, I have found a TON of info on this forum, which I know will be really helpful to me. It seems to be my goal in life to produce a nice, smokable product that is not horribly work intensive and prone to abject failure. The weather here is not supportive of this process - sadly, we have no 'warm' Augusts (which is already considered part of the 'autumn' - as no one says 'fall' here). So the flue curing method seems to be the way to go. Will be sure to post my progress. Thanks again.
 

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Another way I've found to avoid the mould is to make a carotte (a tightly bound salami shaped bundle of leaves with their mid-rib stripped ... this makes the tobacco take up far less room and can be cured hanging in the house.

For the past couple of years, I have been doing just this, but perhaps for a different (uninformed) purpose. I was color curing my leaves in a seed propagatore (able to maintain 94F) and when all yellowed, I was 'wadding' them, actually making the carotte, and putting this into a plastic container somewhat near a heat source (about 115F) for a few days. The carotte would sweat, and once the smell was sweet, I removed them, opened the carotte up and let the leaves dry. The leaves were black and very thin, and the taste (I'm a cigarette smoker) was extremely strong. OK for blending with very mild Virginia, but way too potent on its own for me. Slightly different than your procedure above (presumably just using the heat of the house). I looked at your thread regarding this, and it appears that you are cutting a disc off of the carotte to smoke in a pipe. So, perhaps not suitable for cigarettes???
 

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. I looked at your thread regarding this, and it appears that you are cutting a disc off of the carotte to smoke in a pipe. So, perhaps not suitable for cigarettes???

Try that same tobacco 6 months to a year later. It will probably be much more mellow. Time does wonderful things to tobacco
 
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