Joe's (laugh at the new guy, he's doing it wrong) Grow.

[deluxestogie]

Try harvesting 50 or so of the largest leaves, pickle them in boiling citric acid brine, while rolled together inside a canning jar. Then place in the fridge when they've cooled for a few weeks. You can then stuff them with rice and meat (stuffed grape leaf, or yaprak), and cook for a couple of hours in a tomato sauce. Many recipes on-line.

Bob

 

[deluxestogie]

Grape Leaves (for Greek dolmades and Turkish yaprak recipes)

Whole grape leaves, fresh from the vine (maybe 75 to 100 leaves)
Salt (2 tsp) [approx. 3 tbsp salt per quart of brine]
Water (2 quarts)
Lemon juice (1 cup)

1. Add salt to 1 quart of water. Bring to boil. Add grape leaves and allow to blanch for 30 seconds.
2. Drain and discard liquid. Form loose rolls and pack vertically into pint jars.
3. Add lemon juice to 1 quart of water. Bring to boil and pour over rolls of leaves in jars.
4. Seal. Process jar 15 minutes in boiling water.
5. Ready to use in 3 weeks.

When the leaves are ready, mix up a stuffing of 1/2 cup raw white rice and 1 lb. ground beef, season, then roll up 1 tbsp of stuffing into each grape leaf. Place in careful layers, side-by-side in a large pot, add a can of pasta sauce and weight it all down with a dinner plate (to keep them from unrolling). Cook over low heat for 2 to 3 hours. [You can also add a can of Great Northern Beans into the sauce before cooking, and add an extra hit of lemon juice.]

Bob

EDIT: I just dug this up from my recipe files.

 

[JOE1977]

Very cool, will have to try.

 

[deluxestogie]

One thing I left out: to the cooking pot, also add the water needed to cook the rice (1/2 cup rice --> 1 cup water).

Bob

 

[Knucklehead]

Try harvesting 50 or so of the largest leaves, pickle them in boiling citric acid brine, while rolled together inside a canning jar. Then place in the fridge when they've cooled for a few weeks. You can then stuff them with rice and meat (stuffed grape leaf, or yaprak), and cook for a couple of hours in a tomato sauce. Many recipes on-line.

Bob

Will this work with wild Muscadine or Scuppernong leaves?

 

[deluxestogie]

Will this work with wild Muscadine or Scuppernong leaves?

So far as I know, all grape leaves are edible. Fresh from the vine, they are tough as leather, and have a fair amount of tannin. If cooked fresh (for a long time), they still are not very appetizing, but are nonetheless edible. The brining process does the trick. Once pickled, if they are too small for stuffing, you can just dice up the leaves and toss them into a pot of rice, ground beef and sauce. Lemon juice is a key additive during cooking.

Bob

 

[JOE1977]

Hey Doc, is this normal? My Cuban Crillio lead has this odd puckering of the leaf. Is it diseased or is this a normal thing for some strains?

 

[deluxestogie]

View attachment 15954Hey Doc, is this normal? My Cuban Crillio lead has this odd puckering of the leaf. Is it diseased or is this a normal thing for some strains?

The "cupping" shown in this photo is not normal. A close-up photo would be helpful. Could be calcium deficiency or herbicide drift.

Bob

 

[JOE1977]

Here's some more. The area in question is probably a 15 ft radius. The rest of the plants look great. I have some 10-10-10 handy, or do I need something else?

 

[Knucklehead]

That is so wild looking. I don't have a clue what's causing it, but I'm certainly interested. Here's some photo comparison links that might help in identification.
Tobacco -Pests and Diseases
Tobacco - Nutritional deficiencies
Tobacco - Various chemical injuries
UKY - Photo Gallery
IPM Tobacco Images
Department of Crop Science - NCSU

 

[deluxestogie]

Herbicide drift can come from you, your neighbors, or from the road crew spraying for weeds. If it's localized to most of the plants in a specific part of the garden, I would guess that is the problem.

http://www.ipmimages.org/browse/subthumb.cfm?sub=777&area=62

Bob

 

[JOE1977]

It does kinda look like that, doesn't it? It's kinda weird that the perimeter plants and the rhubarb on the edge of the lot are fine. Well, maybe it was some kind of rogue cloud of spray.

 

[deluxestogie]

It's kinda weird that the perimeter plants and the rhubarb on the edge of the lot are fine.

Fences and shrubs can create vortices and dead areas in the wind. The herbicide mist particle size determines how rapidly it drops from the air. Wind velocity determines how far it drifts during that time.

The effect of a wind break is similar to that of a snow fence, causing protected areas and exposed areas.

http://nac.unl.edu/documents/agroforestrynotes/an25w01.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/notes/us-n...w-drifting-and-what-can-be-do/159141197530331

Bob

 

[USHOG]

I have 3 tobacco plants that are burley and in my aquaponics garden outside. They all have the cupping leaves. I found out it was to much nitrogen that caused this effect. When I lowered the ph in the tank the nitrogen was released in a large amount because of the ph change. It corrected itself after the nitrogen was used up. If a little more nitrogen is added the leaf with curl up turn brown and die. It looks the same to me but as others have said it could be something else

 

[butwiper]

I will chime in on this one, I have 120 plants in buckets this year and another 200 in the ground. Roughly half of the bucket grow have that cupping. Seems to be only some strains. This is my 4th year and the first time I have seen it. I did use admire this year and thought that might of had something to do with it.

 

[JOE1977]

Bagged six plants today using Knuck's recommendation on the paint strainers. The grapes are really starting to bare a lot of fruit as well. Sorry for the sideway pics. Using the iPad.

 

[DGBAMA]

Looks like they picked up a lot this week.

 

[JOE1977]

Yeah, some days it seems they really take off. I have not added any fertilizer or anything else yet, so I am going to give them some manure compost today. I am really happy with the Va bright leaf, Black mammoth and spectrum. My Connie shade are slow growers but I suspect it's because they only get about 3-4 hours of direct light.

 

[ProfessorPangloss]

What was the upshot on the cupped leaf? Any resolution?

 

[butwiper]

I just added lime to help in getting things back to neutral. If it helps I will post results. My plants did display this behavior until I had several weeks of 99 + degrees