Questions about Homemade Blended Tobacco and Perfuming Technology

[boluopi]

I used 50% bright yellow Virginia tobacco (Yun-87), 30% Burley tobacco (E-1), and 20% Oriental tobacco (Basma), totaling 500 grams.

I referred to posts on the forum for flavoring additives.（https://forum.wholeleaftobacco.com/threads/marlboro-duplication.1961/）

Taste: It has the floral aroma of Oriental tobacco and the roasted peanut flavor of Burley tobacco, with a slightly sweet aftertaste and a somewhat dry smoke.

Additionally, I have some questions regarding hand-rolled tobacco with various unique flavorings, such as the richly flavored aromatic tobaccos from Mac Baren, Ark Royal, etc. (vanilla, cream, chocolate, and various fruit flavors). I have conducted some experiments but the results were not satisfactory. I would like to ask all experienced friends on the forum how to blend such special flavors.

 

[deluxestogie]

Responses to your questions may be slow. Forum members in the US may be traveling, and visiting with families through the coming weekend, for our Thanksgiving holiday.

Commercial, aromatic tobaccos are not a subject that I can help with. Most of the heavily aromatic pipe blends are now manufactured in the same factory in Denmark. They all contain propylene glycol, perhaps also glycerin, and their specific flavorants are kept as trade secrets.

Hopefully other members can provide you with some useful information on the subject.

Bob

 

[ShiniKoroshi]

I agree with Bob.
Ill add that the flavor industry has a lot to do with how commercial tobacco is experienced. Here you will find information on Natural & Artificial Flavors.

Easier to make candy taste like tobacco than it is to make tobacco taste like candy.

 

[Juxtaposer-]

I would be interested in the details of the experiments.

 

[boluopi]

Responses to your questions may be slow. Forum members in the US may be traveling, and visiting with families through the coming weekend, for our Thanksgiving holiday.

Commercial, aromatic tobaccos are not a subject that I can help with. Most of the heavily aromatic pipe blends are now manufactured in the same factory in Denmark. They all contain propylene glycol, perhaps also glycerin, and their specific flavorants are kept as trade secrets.

Hopefully other members can provide you with some useful information on the subject.

Bob

Thanks! Maybe I should buy some of each and send them to a testing agency for inspection, haha.

 

[boluopi]

I agree with Bob.
Ill add that the flavor industry has a lot to do with how commercial tobacco is experienced. Here you will find information on Natural & Artificial Flavors.

Easier to make candy taste like tobacco than it is to make tobacco taste like candy.

Thanks for opening up more ideas for me to make tobacco.

 

[boluopi]

I would be interested in the details of the experiments.

It's just a simple mixing process. The tobacco is mixed together in proportion, and then sprayed with fragrance. Finally, it is sealed for 5 days at 30℃ and 70% humidity.
There are also some relatively complex operations, but I don't have the relevant equipment, so I haven't made them.

 

[44Smokeless]

I used 50% bright yellow Virginia tobacco (Yun-87), 30% Burley tobacco (E-1), and 20% Oriental tobacco (Basma), totaling 500 grams.

I referred to posts on the forum for flavoring additives.（https://forum.wholeleaftobacco.com/threads/marlboro-duplication.1961/）

Taste: It has the floral aroma of Oriental tobacco and the roasted peanut flavor of Burley tobacco, with a slightly sweet aftertaste and a somewhat dry smoke.

Additionally, I have some questions regarding hand-rolled tobacco with various unique flavorings, such as the richly flavored aromatic tobaccos from Mac Baren, Ark Royal, etc. (vanilla, cream, chocolate, and various fruit flavors). I have conducted some experiments but the results were not satisfactory. I would like to ask all experienced friends on the forum how to blend such special flavors.

So, I've been following this thread and I'm assuming you're trying to flavor cigarette tobacco. The thread above on marlboro contents and flavoring is fascinating....

I notice from the above you didn't mix any red Viriginian tobacco which would seem mandatory, and you are using Basma, not Samsun Turkish, very different flavors and effects.

Also mixing in commercial pipe tobacco in my experience does not work well.

I don't use casing or flavorings for my cigarette tobacco and have nothing to say on the matter...other than it seems a bit over the top and misses the subtler nuanced beauty of the natural flavor of tobaccos...but to each their own, I do smoke bourbon soaked cigars on occassion. Now that I think about it, might smoke one today while walk through the latest snow fall from last night.

However, one final thought on flavoring your cigarette smoke is swap out some burley for a darker air cured tobacco. I experiment pretty much everyday with a variety I have, including some assorted Cuban leaf, which does adds unique flavors and gives cigarettes a much more....complex flavor.

Good luck, there is a break in the snow, smoke'em if you got them.

 

[StoneCarver]

I'll second the recommendation of using dark air cured tobacco. The dark air cured I got from WLT smells perfumed all by itself. It really doesn't need anything artificial added to it. I often use the dark air cured as the flavoring component in my pipe tobacco mixes.
For example: https://wholeleaftobacco.com/collections/traditional-pipe/products/dark-air-cured

 

[boluopi]

So, I've been following this thread and I'm assuming you're trying to flavor cigarette tobacco. The thread above on marlboro contents and flavoring is fascinating....

I notice from the above you didn't mix any red Viriginian tobacco which would seem mandatory, and you are using Basma, not Samsun Turkish, very different flavors and effects.

Also mixing in commercial pipe tobacco in my experience does not work well.

I don't use casing or flavorings for my cigarette tobacco and have nothing to say on the matter...other than it seems a bit over the top and misses the subtler nuanced beauty of the natural flavor of tobaccos...but to each their own, I do smoke bourbon soaked cigars on occassion. Now that I think about it, might smoke one today while walk through the latest snow fall from last night.

However, one final thought on flavoring your cigarette smoke is swap out some burley for a darker air cured tobacco. I experiment pretty much everyday with a variety I have, including some assorted Cuban leaf, which does adds unique flavors and gives cigarettes a much more....complex flavor.

Good luck, there is a break in the snow, smoke'em if you got them.

Indeed, the mainstream tobacco in China is roasted golden Virginia tobacco, and few people bake tobacco until it turns red or lemon yellow. (Some varieties introduced to the United States turn red after aging for more than a year, but have very poor combustibility)
Some sun dried tobacco in China are generally white rib tobacco, cigar tobacco, and some unknown yellow flower tobacco without specific varieties. Due to tobacco monopoly, the channels for obtaining them are very limited.
In addition, some basic fragrances do not change the main flavor of tobacco, but have a significant impact on sweetness and some additional flavors.

 

[boluopi]

I'll second the recommendation of using dark air cured tobacco. The dark air cured I got from WLT smells perfumed all by itself. It really doesn't need anything artificial added to it. I often use the dark air cured as the flavoring component in my pipe tobacco mixes.
For example: https://wholeleaftobacco.com/collections/traditional-pipe/products/dark-air-cured

I also want to buy these cigarettes, but they are difficult to pass through customs

 

[StoneCarver]

If you were to buy from that link I indicated, you wouldn't be buying cigarettes. You would be buying whole leaves of tobacco. Does that make a difference in what you can import?

 

[boluopi]

If you were to buy from that link I indicated, you wouldn't be buying cigarettes. You would be buying whole leaves of tobacco. Does that make a difference in what you can import?

It should belong to agricultural products such as intact leaves, and personal purchases cannot go through customs.

 

[burge]

Here is the secret at least my opinion. When shredder press the tobacco and it will inherit the flavours. Another method is called sweating tobacco. I have had the plain cut straight lemon smell like flowers doing that. Sweating tobacco for me is taking a tub and putting it in a hot car on a 35 degree day. Pressing tobacco is by definition for me pressing it in tight so it doesn't bounce back in the tub. Remoisten it and letting it dry. That allows the leaf that is shredded to release its oils and thus the perfume smell.

 

[ShiniKoroshi]

Sweating tobacco for me is taking a tub and putting it in a hot car on a 35 degree day.

Totally agree. I noticed all my "problem" tobacco was suddenly ok after that heat wave early in the summer. My kiln is currently set at 32°C for small-batch experiments which have been successful. Works better at low-medium case but there is increased risk of mold. Im checking now to see if sugar/acid casing before kilning will shorten the aging time more. As it stands now, 3 months to age is far better than 12.

 

[burge]

I just found that the tobacco was better and in the car for about 6 hrs as a hot car in Alberta sun means it's about 120 degrees in the car.

 

[ShiniKoroshi]

I just found that the tobacco was better and in the car for about 6 hrs as a hot car in Alberta sun means it's about 120 degrees in the car.

Heat in the right amount does wonders for Flue-cure. According to docs found elsewhere here on FTT and from my own experiments, Flue-cure improves for the first week at 52°C but not so much after that By week 4 the tobacco is starting to degrade. Longer kilning at 32°C is a better improvement. Of course these methods are totally inefficient for production which accomplishes an acceptable result by rapid drying after cutting. They add back what was lost with casing.

If you think about it, commercial flue-cure is grown for maximum weight, nicotine and sugar/acid, intended for the well-tuned processes of production after aging. The aging is critical IMHO because its the only way to degrade the remaining starch in the leaf. Per docs found here at FTT, that can be as much as 22%.

 

[burge]

WLT tobacco just gets better and better with age. Good quality tobacco doesn't go bad.