Thuoc Lao seeds

[Jpcouling]

Considering buying some of this seed for this season. Looks very similar in the picture to the leaf shape I have seen in pictures of Vietnamese tobacco fields. Additionally, they say this seed is directly imported from Vietnam, so it lends more to its credibility. The supplier is World Seed Supply, link is below. Does anyone know why this variety of Rustica is so different in leaf shape from the other Western Rusticas? Naturalization? Genetic breeding?

http://www.bonanza.com/listings/100...tnamese-tobacco-seeds-nicotiana-spp/105868645

 

[JessicaNicot]

well I can tell you it isn't a rustica at all.

 

[Jpcouling]

well I can tell you it isn't a rustica at all.

I take that in highest regard from you! Any ideas as to what variety of tobacco it is?

 

[JessicaNicot]

you mean like type? I couldn't say. but I hardly find that distributor reliable as if you look at the bottom of that page they use the same picture for 3 different tobacco varieties.

 

[deluxestogie]

Ha! I've heard of the "brand" before: World.

If you go with the seed vendors listed on our FAQ (or obtain seed from our members) you'll have a better chance of getting what you think you're ordering. Seed from GRIN would be the gold standard.

Bob

 

[Knucklehead]

Bonanza PI 552300 Flue Cure variety
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/acc/search.pl?accid=552300

 

[JessicaNicot]

Seed from GRIN would be the gold standard.

Bob

thanks. I try to do my best but I know that even some of our stuff has been mixed up over the years (before I got here of course!), but im trying my best to get things sorted out.

 

[rainmax]

.... even some of our stuff has been mixed up over the years....

Please, fix it. But you can always use frozen ones. Correct?

 

[Jpcouling]

So we have no identification of what type of tobacco the Vietnamese grow for Thuoc Lao? I just bought the seeds by the way, I'll take a leap of faith and see what I am left with.

 

[Jpcouling]

Just got this response from the seller:

Yes, we got it direct from a private person in Vietnam. It does seem to actually be a form of Nicotiana tabacum though, not rustica.

So perhaps it is just a very potent tabacum?

 

[Knucklehead]

I can't say who is right or wrong because I don't know, but wikipedia calls it a rustica. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotiana_rustica

 

[skychaser]

Wikipedia is never wrong! hehe

Blow up that lower pict and have a good look at the plants. Take a look at the flower head on the plant in the lower right corner of the photo. I'm with Jessica. It's not a Rustica.

 

[Jpcouling]

Yep even the supplier agrees it isn't. Must be some variety of tobacco that has a hefty punch. Weird that it lacks information somewhat.

 

[DGBAMA]

They appear to use a couple generic pics for a bunch of listings, so I guess all you can do is try it. Post real pics here and may be it can be identified.

 

[Jpcouling]

They appear to use a couple generic pics for a bunch of listings, so I guess all you can do is try it. Post real pics here and may be it can be identified.

Good idea, I will grow it out and document it all on my grow log, which I still need to publish.

 

[SmokesAhoy]

It's probably homogenized bag seed...

That's the problem with using any old supplier, you might spend an entire year growing a possible hybrid that wasn't bagged.

There is no tobacco with large leaves and high 9+% alkaloid content.

 

[Mad Oshea]

Did they give You a TI or any documentation of what it is? Actualy "WHAT IT IS" outher than what You have? Where did it come from? Laocian seed is a hard one to document as a pure breed seed. due to the area. Just asking? Never heard of it untill now. I would like to know more so I can check it out- Maybe a next grow? In time a seed type grown in the area for over -lets say three times or so it will change to another type of the plant to the area that it is grown in, calling it by name with the after -lets say Kansas VA. for Vg.
Call Me if I am incorrect folks. Good call Knucks. Check out the flowers and see if they have a green tint. The leaf can fool you due to how many types there are. If You are not sure. Kick it to the curb. I would like pure strains (Myself) and not something for the jungel. LOL

 

[Jpcouling]

Did they give You a TI or any documentation of what it is? Actualy "WHAT IT IS" outher than what You have? Where did it come from? Laocian seed is a hard one to document as a pure breed seed. due to the area. Just asking? Never heard of it untill now. I would like to know more so I can check it out- Maybe a next grow? In time a seed type grown in the area for over -lets say three times or so it will change to another type of the plant to the area that it is grown in, calling it by name with the after -lets say Kansas VA. for Vg.
Call Me if I am incorrect folks

I have just been introduced in to the concept of a "landrace" by The Other One. I really don't have any more information than what you guys have! I will have the seed in a week or so, and I'll be growing it this year. One thing that may be overlooked is the varying MAOI levels in tobacco, as we have discussed in previous threads. Rustica, Thuoc Lao, may have higher MAOI levels which amplifies the intensity of nicotine's effects. Just an observation, I don't have data on the MAOI levels in various types of tobacco.

 

[Mad Oshea]

See the color of the flower? Hum? Ask and see any info You can on what You bought.

 

[Knucklehead]

Wikipedia is never wrong! hehe

Blow up that lower pict and have a good look at the plants. Take a look at the flower head on the plant in the lower right corner of the photo. I'm with Jessica. It's not a Rustica.

I think Jessica was referring to the Bonanza in the previous post. But I agree about wikipedia. The article is saying Thuoc Lao is a Vietnamese generic term for Rustica, like Mahorka is a Russian generic term for Rustica. I thought they were varieties of Rustica.