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I'm still liking the idea of the all American steel belted grown tobacco. That's sounds like a good marketing gimmick. Steel belted stogies - I'd go for it:)
Some of those tires have a hell of a lot more tred on them and look in better condition than what is on my truck right now.

That's just using what is available though, I'm certainly not judging. I've repurposed plenty of items myself. I have some plants growing in plastic kitty litter containers. I also have an old gun cabinet I took the back off of, filled with compost, and am using as a raised bed for a few of my plants. If it works use it (y)
I might try selling some leaves with that gimmick. LMAO
 

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Idk. I've seen some hard shell beetles but the damage looks more clean edged.
Slugs should be taken care of but I have slugs powder coming. I switched watering to mornings. I dont see any bugs under/on the leaves. I go out at sunrise to look for them. That's how I found the slugs.
Slugs don't like the sun, I guess it dries them out. So early in the morning is a good time to look for them. Good luck with your hunt
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Idk. I've seen some hard shell beetles but the damage looks more clean edged.
Slugs should be taken care of but I have slugs powder coming. I switched watering to mornings. I dont see any bugs under/on the leaves. I go out at sunrise to look for them. That's how I found the slugs.
Uh oh back to slugs again... The post below has a lot of slug discussion.

Grasshoppers some times do some damage and are hard to spot.
If you post some pictures @deluxestogie might be able to give you a good guess at what's eating them.

Just to say something you prbobly already know - if you're using diatomaceous earth be careful about washing it away when you water.
 

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Well you guys said you like pictures so I got some. And each picture has a story so I may have to split this into more than 1 post but here goes

These are the ones that bother me. I dont know which pest. And these plants are nowhere near each other.
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Now these I'm pretty sure are slugs. I found 1 this morning.
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Here is my find this week.
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A 4 gal backpack sprayer. Picked it up for $10.
No idea what was in it so I boil 2 gal of water and ran it through. I'm scared of what was in it so I am only using it on my 3 smallest plants to see if any residue in it is harmful to tobaccy.

But I'm using this
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And the garden hose seems to want to knock over my plants and generally be a nuisance.
I'm giving them a good wash with the orchid fertilizer every morning.

On a side note I do know I have to replace the
D. Earth every time it gets wet but I'm trying not to treat with chemicals as much as possible. And it's not for slugs.
 

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For the hose problem, I purchased several cheap, plastic guide pulleys about 5 years ago, and they hold up well (except for the one I hit with my lawn tractor). Similar to these:


The linear slits in the leaf are commonly made by birds plucking an insect or mollusk off of a leaf. For smooth-edged, ovoid holes between the secondary veins, observe the margins. When they are more than a day or two old, the margin develops a contrasting (whitish) border, while freshly made holes have a clean edge. Whenever you see a fresh one, check the underside for a hornworm. Sometimes, these holes are caused by a tiny nibble on the newly forming leaf, and will grow in size as the leaf grows. Pinpoint holes are often made by flea beetles (which may be on the underside) that will jump away from your fingertip.

Smaller hornworms usually remain within the boundary of secondary veins. Crickets and grasshoppers (both quite resistant to insecticides) eat right on through the secondary veins. Flea beetles (quite sensitive to most insecticides), if left unchecked, will produce a characteristic "shotgun" scattering of tiny holes in the leaf. Slugs are usually only a problem for recently transplanted tobacco, and seem to lose their taste for it as the plants grow larger (and increase their alkaloid concentrations).

Raggedy edges are always anybody's guess.

While I do fret over any holes in my leaf, I tend to focus my attention on new injury.

Bob
 

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For the hose problem, I purchased several cheap, plastic guide pulleys about 5 years ago, and they hold up well (except for the one I hit with my lawn tractor). Similar to these:


The linear slits in the leaf are commonly made by birds plucking an insect or mollusk off of a leaf. For smooth-edged, ovoid holes between the secondary veins, observe the margins. When they are more than a day or two old, the margin develops a contrasting (whitish) border, while freshly made holes have a clean edge. Whenever you see a fresh one, check the underside for a hornworm. Sometimes, these holes are caused by a tiny nibble on the newly forming leaf, and will grow in size as the leaf grows. Pinpoint holes are often made by flea beetles (which may be on the underside) that will jump away from your fingertip.

Smaller hornworms usually remain within the boundary of secondary veins. Crickets and grasshoppers (both quite resistant to insecticides) eat right on through the secondary veins. Flea beetles (quite sensitive to most insecticides), if left unchecked, will produce a characteristic "shotgun" scattering of tiny holes in the leaf. Slugs are usually only a problem for recently transplanted tobacco, and seem to lose their taste for it as the plants grow larger (and increase their alkaloid concentrations).

Raggedy edges are always anybody's guess.

While I do fret over any holes in my leaf, I tend to focus my attention on new injury.

Bob
My slugs seem to like the medium sized ones
 

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It looks like a lot of your pics are slug damage, a few of the holes starting in the middle of the leaf I'm not so sure about. Every now and then I get a mystery hole or two in my leaves higher up on the plant, I've just passed it off as an occasional grasshopper. The slugs look like they are hitting some of the younger leaves then the damage expands as the leaf grows. They like mulch and I wouldn't be surprised if they are living in the tires. That's probably an ideal habitat for them with the moist soil and shelter on the inside of the tire - not a big deal though since your treating for them anyways.

@deluxestogie had an interesting idea about trying copper bands or a circle of pennies around the base of the plant - the idea being slugs won't cross copper since it short circuits their nervous system. No idea if it would work but it might be fun to try on a few plants if you have some spare pennies or copper laying around.
Doing a quick google search it looks like pennies made after 1982 are mostly zinc 97.5% and only 2.5% copper vs pre 1982 pennies which are 95% copper and only 5% zinc. More variables to consider:)
 

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New question. I have cicled in red what I think is a sucker. I read somewhere that you don't remove the suckers until after they flower. I'm thinking continual removal would allow all the nutrients to go to the big main leaves and also help make the plant stronger. Im just hoping these "suckers" aren't the next leaf stage growth.
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New question. I have cicled in red what I think is a sucker. I read somewhere that you don't remove the suckers until after they flower. I'm thinking continual removal would allow all the nutrients to go to the big main leaves and also help make the plant stronger. Im just hoping these "suckers" aren't the next leaf stage growth.
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That’s a sucker. Personally I pluck them when I see them. Generally speaking, topping will cause profuse suckering as the plants first job is to produce seed. Topping the plant causes a defense mechanism in the plant and it will increase nicotine and try to send up suckers that will eventually end up with it’s own seed head in response to what it perceives as a threat to it‘s ability to produce seed.
 

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Here is a sucker trying to form a new stalk right beside where the plant had been previously topped. If left alone, it would become a new main stalk and try to flower. At this point in the season, nip it. There maybe a time when you would allow that one sucker to make a replacement stalk, such as if the wind had snapped off that upper stalk and it was still early in the season. Plenty of time for that new sucker to grow as the main stalk and finish out the season.

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These are suckers forming at every leaf node, possibly after topping..

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No it was a random USDA type website
You shouldn’t see a profusion suckers until after topping. At topping time, many commercial growers will apply sucker control chemicals at each sucker or leaf node. They don’t actually pluck each sucker, the chemical kills them and prevents their return for weeks. Some you apply to each sucker or leaf node, another type you squirt it to the top of the plant and it runs down toward each sucker, another is systemic and the chemical spreads throughout the plant.



 

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You shouldn’t see a profusion suckers until after topping. At topping time, many commercial growers will apply sucker control chemicals at each sucker or leaf node. They don’t actually pluck each sucker, the chemical kills them and prevents their return for weeks. Some you apply to each sucker or leaf node, another type you squirt it to the top of the plant and it runs down toward each sucker, another is systemic and the chemical spreads throughout the plant.



Yet another reason to grow your own. Synthetic plant hormones added to reduce sucker formation.
Better to visit your plants daily and pluck the suckers off:) Some varieties are worse about it than others. You can take advantage of letting suckers grow if you're using the plant to increase seed or for a second harvest of what people say is lower quality leaf, otherwise most people on this forum tend to recomend picking them off. The reduced sink of nutrient flow that would normally go to seeds is thought to go to the leaves instead. Plus the wounding response theoretically kicks off a lot of internal herbivore/stress events that increases the production of nicotine and other compounds that crazy smokers like us seem to like but natural predators don't:)
 

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You shouldn’t see a profusion suckers until after topping. At topping time, many commercial growers will apply sucker control chemicals at each sucker or leaf node. They don’t actually pluck each sucker, the chemical kills them and prevents their return for weeks. Some you apply to each sucker or leaf node, another type you squirt it to the top of the plant and it runs down toward each sucker, another is systemic and the chemical spreads throughout the plant.



I'm not sure what your definition of profusion is but I see little sucker leaves on most of my plants
 
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