67'dodge d200.. or '60 chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

[Chicken]

i just prefer older trucks over new ones. but im not a rich man so to have '' my '' truck im gonna have to build it. the dodge is a neighbours truck thats hes had forever but its been parked for 20+ years. it has a 318 in it. proablly original from the looks of it, it wont take a lot to bring this truck back to life. i believe it was parked due to distributer issues, he used it for a mobile welding truck and upgradd to a ford 3/4 ton

...the chevy apache is a totally different story. it was at one time used for a farm truck [ thats where i ran across it. at a farm i delivered to ]
its in rough shape. he wants $450.00 for it plus some extra parts,, it has a busted windshield. lots of rust,, busted headlights, and no bed.

here it is,

the dodge d200 3/4 ton...

it really doesnt matter to me which one i decide to do. and im in no hurry to get it tagged, it will be a project truck. . you can get better stuff engine wise for a dodge than you can for any other make, and i plan on having about 3 grand just under the hood alone. perhaps a 6 pack intake manifold, the utility bed will be coming off, i wont a stepside that i will proablly build . i just dont like the headlights which i will be redoing. into a 4 round headlight system,


out of curiosity which one would you'll think would be the better truck to build,????

its been a lifelong thought of mine to own a very nice old truck. that looks like it may very soon be a reality,

 

[juan carlos]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

the dodge for sure...since you never presented a ford as option.... that service box could b very cool if you can save and clean it up like new. I see a hot box for taco's, a cold box for cerveza, maybe an ice tub for spirits. a microwave, a nice display humi and let's not forget the pop up video with sound system!!

 

[Chicken]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

the dodge for sure...since you never presented a ford as option.... that service box could b very cool if you can save and clean it up like new. I see a hot box for taco's, a cold box for cerveza, maybe an ice tub for spirits. a microwave, a nice display humi and let's not forget the pop up video with sound system!!

dont think i havent had my eye on some fords. but they are newer and 4x4 's i wont a old street ride. heres 2 fords i been looking at $1,500.00 for this one

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dont really know the price on the red one. he had to talk to his sons to see if they didnt mind him getting rid of it, and i never got back with him.

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.... i think the apache would be more of a truck.. that i'd like the way it turned out

 

[deluxestogie]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

Chevy's seem to have more engine parts available. Ford would be a close second. http://www.jegs.com/

Back around 2000, I pulled the 302 engine from a 1978 F-150, had the machine shop clean and bore the block, then rebuilt it (in my shed) with new pistons, valves, cam, lifters, rockers and a new Holley 4-barrel carb on an aluminum intake. Added a new transmission and changed the gear ratio of the pumpkin. The exhaust went into ceramic coated header pipes. It was a beast, but the engine self-destructed after about 60,000 miles. I would guess that I had about $3000 in the engine. The truck body still looked like a POS (with paint that could have been the twin of the Ford in your photo--faded red and rustoleum).

I'm still rather fond of 302 Fords. But I'll never go through that again. Even back then (~15 years ago), rebuilding one's own engine had become a quaint anachronism. It was difficult to locate all the required tools. Also, various random parts were difficult to replace (e.g. when the headlight dimmer foot pedal failed at night, in the middle of nowhere, Oklahoma).

Whichever one you choose, it will be a challenge, and a satisfying project. But I don't think anybody saves money by rebuilding an old truck.

Bob

 

[juan carlos]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

i'd expect around 30 grand to make it like new if you did most/all the work.

the dodge appeals to me in it's uniqueness... 57 chevy is like doing a camaro...they are nice, but you have to go way over the top to make them stand out.

my current build is 1956 M-100 ford. similar to the 57 chevy, it's been done to death, but if you go over the top...they can be pretty cool.

the 77/78 fords, they make a great driver, the suspension is tough as nails...and parts are cheap and available.

 

[Matty]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

I'd go for the dodge, just because of the 318. I had a 98 dakota (I know, not old) with the 5.2L magnum, basically a modern incarnation of the 318. I loved that truck but had to sell it because the body was rotting off. I would have fixed it up if I had the time and place to do it, but sadly I don't. Sold it over 2 years ago and I still miss driving it. That v8 was pretty much bullet proof and would always start in less than 1 revolution no matter what.

 

[Jitterbugdude]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

Before buying I'd do a little research on parts availability. Pick a few hard to find parts from each truck and see if you can get a replacement for it on the aftermarket. I have a 73 F100 and can get almost every single part I need for it. I also have a 72 Vega wagon and some of the parts are impossible to find. You can't go wrong with a Ford truck.. unless you buy a Chevy...

 

[Chicken]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

we have a junk-yard in our area called '' old-gold '' it specializes in extremelly old vehicles. and as for replacement parts. ive looked up catalouges on both. they are there but they are pricey. both trucks are damn near extinct. i really need to go back and visit the apache and give it a good looking over... make sure theres no frame rust. e.t.c. [ im sure the windshield will be more than what the guy wants for the truck ]

i like the blue ford 4x4.... if i was to go that route.[ but i wouldnt modify the motor on a 4x4... and im really wanting to trick out a motor to make it like a rat-rod... using mainlly offenhouser parts. a blast from the 50's hot rod days.

but like i said they are all in the air. i dont know which one will fall in my lap.

 

[Jitterbugdude]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

Some of the hard to find parts I suggest you look in to before deciding would be:

Window fuzzies
Windshield
Back window
Windshield gasket
Roller mechanism for the window. Ford uses little plastic "wheels" that are held in place by clips (inside the door).
If a manual trans, check to see if the linkage bushings are available. A Ford 3 on the tree uses a shift tube that will eventually wear out.
Rear leaf spring bushings.

Junk yards are fine for replacement parts but keep in mind that they will already be 40 years old when you get them.
also, consider that the Ford in the picture was a style made from 73-79. It was the first year Ford used disc brakes on the front. I don't know when the other companies started using them but I would highly recommend getting a truck with disc brakes.

 

[Smokin Harley]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

your dilemma sounds like my sons...hes a gear head and currently the 1979 Chevy 4 x 4 pickup hes working on now is his 14th vehicle in 4 years, hes 19 yrs old . For a kid with almost always no job and no money he sure finds a way to work odd jobs to barter for parts or entire vehicles on someones property . He'll take trucks with good axles and scrap the rest ,the scrap money he gets goes toward paying for the parts he needs . But hes getting good at knowing what parts off other models will fit what he has. But, I digress.
If it was me for practicality ,I'd say go for the Dodge rebuild. It looks more complete and clean and the 318's just seem to be bulletproof no matter the age or miles on them and tons of parts available. Plus that body has some unique style to it.
Myself , someday I'd like to take on a 48 Chevy or GMC project.
Please post pics of your project progression .

 

[Jitterbugdude]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

Whichever one you choose, it will be a challenge, and a satisfying project. But I don't think anybody saves money by rebuilding an old truck.

It should only cost a few grand to rebuild a truck. I am rebuilding the 240 in my Ford. All NOS parts (push rods, valves, bearings etc). The problem people have is they actually have someone else rebuild their engines/trannies etc. If you go the route of having someone else do all the work then yes, it'll cost you an arm and a leg.

The total engine rebuild for me is going to be about $500.00 and most of that was to have a machine shop put in new valve seats and guides.

 

[webmost]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

the dodge for sure...since you never presented a ford as option.... that service box could b very cool if you can save and clean it up like new. I see a hot box for taco's, a cold box for cerveza, maybe an ice tub for spirits. a microwave, a nice display humi and let's not forget the pop up video with sound system!!

Ditto. Gimme a service box and a rack. Outstanding.

 

[Chicken]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

Ditto. Gimme a service box and a rack. Outstanding.

To each his own...but I've always been a stepside type of guy...I know where a Studebaker stepside bed is..that has been converted into a trailer to haul around a 300 gallon fuel tank...that looks like it hasn't moved in years...

That's the good thing about my job...these old farms don't throw away nothing..they just repurpose it.

 

[bonehead]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

in the northeast there is almost nothing to find because of all the salt on the roads in the winter. the only positive you do learn to drive on snow and ice, expecially if you hunt, ice fish, snowmobile or ski and snowboard.

 

[Chicken]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

in the northeast there is almost nothing to find because of all the salt on the roads in the winter. the only positive you do learn to drive on snow and ice, expecially if you hunt, ice fish, snowmobile or ski and snowboard.

I agree..living in a retirement state..I've seen a lot of rusted out vehicles the old timers bring down with them...I actually years ago owned a Nissan maxima that was a 1 owner car...a school teacher from new Hampshire.that had never been out of her home town..

The drive train was excellent but the car was totally rusted out..I was gonna put the straight 6 in a 78 Datsun pickup truck..until the stupid girl I was with drove it when I told her not to..while I was at work..it had a leaking radiator hose..and she blew it up..

And packed her bags that night..I don't tolerate dumb women that don't listen..

I'll have to post.some pics of that build.so you guys know what I'm capable of doing to a terd...

 

[Knucklehead]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

I like the Dodge. Sell the utility bed to recoup some money, then build a flat bed for it. Build it to add an electric dump to it later. Women riding in the back of a dump bed tend to mind their manners.

 

[Bex]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

Before you make any decision, I think you hit the nail on the head a few posts back....frame rust. Regardless of which you choose, substantial frame rust will be a deal breaker. When we were growing up, while Chevy's were fun, Dodge trucks and engines had a special reputation and appeal to them. Regarding parts availability, much depends on whether an 'original restoration' is an issue for you, or if you're just looking for a project for fun. With the internet, you have access to parts all over the country.

 

[Bex]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

I don't tolerate dumb women that don't listen..

What about dumb women who do listen...????

 

[Knucklehead]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

What about dumb women who do listen...????

It doesn't matter. We poor benighted males tend to gravitate towards crazy chicks regardless of their intelligence quotient.

 

[Chicken]

Re: 67'dodge d200.. or 57' chevy apache c-10 [ my 2016 project]

well my fellow friends looks like '' all of yall'' are leaning towards the dodge... but i think im gonna go with the apache... that is if its not too far gone.

and as i stated im gonna show you some pic's of a picture of my datsun build i did in the mid 90's before there was such thing as a digital camera,

this truck burned to the ground. and i still miss it allmost 20+ years now. i had it complete exept for a '' real '' paint job and a v-8. what you see is rustoleum paint. and a stock datsun 4 cylinder.... with a lot of lies in between. [ ill explain them as the photos appear,]

when i got it it was a sun baked red. i dont have pics of what i started with. but they start with the rust holes being repaired and the green rustoleum paint being applied,

i present to you a '' turtle '' in '' rabbits '' clothing

. me and my buddy doing some bondo work to it, im the guy with long hair [ back then yes i had hair ]

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the rear view of it... if you look where the cab meets the bed youll see my '' nitrous bottle'' which is nothing more than a fire extinguisher. with the handle knocked off, painted blue with a n.o.s. sticker on it. it had alluminum braided line coming out of it. that went behind the cab 6 inches and stopped,

.. youll never guess how many people thought that this thing has nitrous hooked to it,,,,lol.

and final pic's of how it looked up to the day it caught fire,

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what made it catch fire is i got a new carb for it, and was having trouble with the choke. and at the time i had a welding job. with a 30 minute lunch break. i was on break and messing with the choke... the buzzer rang so i shut it off. and went in.. i guess it backfired catching the air filter on fire. and spreading. to the whole engine compartment.. i had a semi fuel filter hooked to it. about a quart of fuel was in that filter.

by the time my fellow workers noticed the black smoke [ from the hood scoop ] rising in the air. it was totally gone. but i still have the bed.. and if i have to make a bed for the apache. im gonna use the tailgate from my old datsun. it has the '' latches'' type of closing mechanism, so maybe a part of my old girl will roll once again.

i showed up on the scene to see the hood scoop callapse in on itself. when the fire department arrived they were trying to remove the hood pins to open the hood.. i got a chuckle they were just on there for looks. they didnt hold the hood closed,

this whole truck was built for looks... and it did have looks. you'll never guess how many people wanted to race me from a red light... i'd tell them sure. and when the light turned green. they'd smoke thier tires... and i'd putt-putt. like a 4 cylinder datsun does,,,,lol

it turned a many heads from children sitting in thier car-seats,,, but it looked as if it was on the starting line of a pro-stock drag racing circuit. youd think it would bring the front tires off the ground.

i was on the interstate once and the guy riding with me said '' hey man were getting passed left and right why dont you do the speed limit.. i told him we were wide open at 62 m.p.h.


damn i miss that truck. if it hadnt burned i could only imagine what id have right now. id buy another one in a heartbeat.

none of my side angle pic's loaded... your not seeing the racing stickers i had all down the side of it.. i may try tomorrow to put them on imageshack and reload them.. it had 50's in the rear..6'' shackles and chrome traction bars... i still have them roll bars but they havent been installed in a truck since the datsun.