I just got lucky about 100 years ago when those trees that shade the patch started to grow.
Would you like a bit more? It will be from higher up the plant so probably stronger.
J
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Would you like a bit more? It will be from higher up the plant so probably stronger.
J
Ah, John. You are quite generous. I think that, given the size of your plot, you should really keep more of it to enjoy. I still have a pipe blend waiting to be mailed to you.
Bob
Bob
The kilned ruffles do make some nice condiment tobacco, but the process is labor intensive. For a small plot, it may be worth considering ruffles as a means of increasing the total crop yield. For larger grows, any particularly inviting varieties that have large ruffles may be worth collecting.
Bob
Bob
andrewislord
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Hello, Mr. Stogie. Would you mind commenting a little on your Golden Burley? Mine didn't do well, but I only grew one. I'm having a hard time figuring out when it's ready to harvest because the leaves don't get rippled like on the Virginia.
I read somewhere you said yours didn't do well.
I collected all my ruffles a while ago, I was surprised how much it all added up to. I did notice it looked a lot like a salad.
I read somewhere you said yours didn't do well.
I collected all my ruffles a while ago, I was surprised how much it all added up to. I did notice it looked a lot like a salad.
As a white-stem burley, Golden Burley can be allowed to yellow on the stalk--that is, it can be allowed to fully ripen prior to stalk harvesting.
Bob
Bob
Bob,
You ever try mixing any bright leaf into a cigar? If so with what?
Thanks, John
You ever try mixing any bright leaf into a cigar? If so with what?
Thanks, John
John,
http://fairtradetobacco.com/showthread.php?1395-Changes-in-flue-cured-tobacco-as-it-ages/page2#18
If bright leaf filler has been flue-cured, it really begs for an increase in the pH. Even when air-cured and kilned, bright leaf (all the flue-cured varieties I've tried) seems to be more acidic than cigar varieties.
Bob
http://fairtradetobacco.com/showthread.php?1395-Changes-in-flue-cured-tobacco-as-it-ages/page2#18
If bright leaf filler has been flue-cured, it really begs for an increase in the pH. Even when air-cured and kilned, bright leaf (all the flue-cured varieties I've tried) seems to be more acidic than cigar varieties.
Bob
Bob--this isn't a grow blog it's a text book. Thank you so much for sharing so much valuable information. The scientific approach you've taken has been impressive. It's like looking at a tobacco growing blueprint. I'm sure you've heard of OCD? LOL Thanks again.
Wallace
Wallace
oceansgreen
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just read through all 29 pages, im not much of a smoker myself but being a plant geek i do thoroughly enjoy these grow logs, this one was awesome and i cant wait to subscribe to your log come next spring, with the diversity you have, i believe you just became the man for me to keep an eye on
Some Cigar Variety Comments:
Machu Picchu: This Peruvian cigar variety may or may not be an ancient variety. One feature that may suggest its antiquity is that it is the only N. tabacum variety that I have grown in which nearly all the seed pods spontaneously opened, spilling all of their seed into the Agribon bag. Its blossoms were a deep vermilion. The leaf kilns to a medium dark brown, flavorful leaf. Some of it has been wrapper grade. Despite the odious nicotine levels reported by ARS-GRIN, Machu Picchu has turned out to be reasonably mild. It does not burn particularly well, so a Machu Picchu puro, while smooth and flavorful, is troublesome to keep lit. I would recommend it as a filler blender. The plant visually bears some resemblance to sun-grown CT Shade. I will be replanting it next season.
Jalapa: As a Nicaraguan cigar filler variety, Jalapa measures up to the job. It kilns to a medium brown, but the stalk position significantly determines the strength. The taste and aroma are similar to "Cuban seed" Nicaraguan seco and ligero, and the darker ligero carries some punch. One or two strips in a cigar adds recognizable flavor and nicotine. It burns well. ARS-GRIN listed its maturation (38 days) as the shortest of any N. tabacum, but this is incorrect. I found its maturation time of 55 days to be comparable to most other varieties. The plant conformation resembles a tall Orinoco-type plant, but the leaf quality is clearly that of cigar filler. I will be replanting Jalapa.
Dominican Olor: This "DOM REPUBLIC (WRAPPER)" started out as a mystery "wrapper" variety from ARS-GRIN. Well, it is not a wrapper. The "Olor" moniker is my best guest from available information. Like Jalapa, it visually appears to be a tall Orinoco-type plant, but much milder than Jalapa. I believe it is a dead ringer for commercial Dominican seco. Its ligero leaf, though somewhat stronger than the seco, is milder than the commercial Dominican ligero. The medium to dark-brown leaf burns well, and is suited as a major cigar blending component. I will be replanting it.
These three varieties make an excellent filler blend for a "premium" quality cigar (of a strength determined by the quantity of Jalapa ligero), wrapped in CT Shade, Besuki, FL Sumatra, CT Broadleaf or even Mutki or a well-kilned, mild burley (such as Harrow Velvet or Kelly).
Bob
Machu Picchu: This Peruvian cigar variety may or may not be an ancient variety. One feature that may suggest its antiquity is that it is the only N. tabacum variety that I have grown in which nearly all the seed pods spontaneously opened, spilling all of their seed into the Agribon bag. Its blossoms were a deep vermilion. The leaf kilns to a medium dark brown, flavorful leaf. Some of it has been wrapper grade. Despite the odious nicotine levels reported by ARS-GRIN, Machu Picchu has turned out to be reasonably mild. It does not burn particularly well, so a Machu Picchu puro, while smooth and flavorful, is troublesome to keep lit. I would recommend it as a filler blender. The plant visually bears some resemblance to sun-grown CT Shade. I will be replanting it next season.
Jalapa: As a Nicaraguan cigar filler variety, Jalapa measures up to the job. It kilns to a medium brown, but the stalk position significantly determines the strength. The taste and aroma are similar to "Cuban seed" Nicaraguan seco and ligero, and the darker ligero carries some punch. One or two strips in a cigar adds recognizable flavor and nicotine. It burns well. ARS-GRIN listed its maturation (38 days) as the shortest of any N. tabacum, but this is incorrect. I found its maturation time of 55 days to be comparable to most other varieties. The plant conformation resembles a tall Orinoco-type plant, but the leaf quality is clearly that of cigar filler. I will be replanting Jalapa.
Dominican Olor: This "DOM REPUBLIC (WRAPPER)" started out as a mystery "wrapper" variety from ARS-GRIN. Well, it is not a wrapper. The "Olor" moniker is my best guest from available information. Like Jalapa, it visually appears to be a tall Orinoco-type plant, but much milder than Jalapa. I believe it is a dead ringer for commercial Dominican seco. Its ligero leaf, though somewhat stronger than the seco, is milder than the commercial Dominican ligero. The medium to dark-brown leaf burns well, and is suited as a major cigar blending component. I will be replanting it.
These three varieties make an excellent filler blend for a "premium" quality cigar (of a strength determined by the quantity of Jalapa ligero), wrapped in CT Shade, Besuki, FL Sumatra, CT Broadleaf or even Mutki or a well-kilned, mild burley (such as Harrow Velvet or Kelly).
Bob
oceansgreen
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^thank you for sharing your reviews of varieties for our benefit(though im sure it helps you somewhere along the way)
i do believe i'll have to give that Jalapa a try and see if i can get it ready to harvest in our short seasons here
i do believe i'll have to give that Jalapa a try and see if i can get it ready to harvest in our short seasons here
Re: 12/8 Cigar Variety Comments --- Very helpful info Bob. Thanks -- John
One more strange experiment.
Back in April 2012, I started off three tobacco varieties in 3" pots, set in standard 1020 trays. The plants you see have grown in these pots (with water added to the tray about once every two weeks) on this shelf since that time. They have remained indoors, with only partial direct sun for part of each day. They include Golden Burley, VA Bright and Havana 263.
They have had no exposure to pollinating insects, and the enclosed porch in which they have grown has practically no active air circulation. After about 8 months, many formed a single, small blossom heads, with about a half-dozen blossoms per plant. Though not bagged, I assume that they are each self-pollinated. The seed pods appear to be developing normally.
Although, as you can see, the leaf is nearly worthless, the plants may be producing viable seed. As I mentioned on the HTGT site, in response to a question on indoor seed production, there is no reason to expect any change in the genetic makeup of the seed. On the other hand, epi-genetic factors (which can switch certain genes on or off) have been documented to be altered in tobacco seed in response to severe stress to the parent plant. I have no idea if such seed will produce viable plants that are identical to those produced from outdoor-grown seed.
This coming spring, I will plant a few of these over-wintered plants outside, and see if they are indeed perennial. I suppose that I'll also have to germinate some of the seed, and follow the growth of the resulting plants.
FYI, the odd little plant in the yellow pot to the lower right of the photo is what germinated from a store-bought hazelnut that I stuck into the dirt. I'll let it grow indoors for another year, then exile it to the garden.
Bob
Back in April 2012, I started off three tobacco varieties in 3" pots, set in standard 1020 trays. The plants you see have grown in these pots (with water added to the tray about once every two weeks) on this shelf since that time. They have remained indoors, with only partial direct sun for part of each day. They include Golden Burley, VA Bright and Havana 263.
They have had no exposure to pollinating insects, and the enclosed porch in which they have grown has practically no active air circulation. After about 8 months, many formed a single, small blossom heads, with about a half-dozen blossoms per plant. Though not bagged, I assume that they are each self-pollinated. The seed pods appear to be developing normally.
Although, as you can see, the leaf is nearly worthless, the plants may be producing viable seed. As I mentioned on the HTGT site, in response to a question on indoor seed production, there is no reason to expect any change in the genetic makeup of the seed. On the other hand, epi-genetic factors (which can switch certain genes on or off) have been documented to be altered in tobacco seed in response to severe stress to the parent plant. I have no idea if such seed will produce viable plants that are identical to those produced from outdoor-grown seed.
This coming spring, I will plant a few of these over-wintered plants outside, and see if they are indeed perennial. I suppose that I'll also have to germinate some of the seed, and follow the growth of the resulting plants.
FYI, the odd little plant in the yellow pot to the lower right of the photo is what germinated from a store-bought hazelnut that I stuck into the dirt. I'll let it grow indoors for another year, then exile it to the garden.
Bob
Randy
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Very interresting Deluxe..and for the hazelnut I have 2 half-grown apple tress from same kinda exp abt 3yrs ago planted seed from 2 different store bought apples.The winesap is planted in front yard and growing crazy the other one in backyard is ok have no-idea what if any they may produce in few more years.
Randy
Randy
oceansgreen
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in the forest, saplings survive in dense shade before they are able to reach sunlight by forming relationships with mychorizzal fungi... have you considered using mychorizzal's in your indoor pots before?
Fungal symbiotes are highly species specific. I know of none specific to tobacco. For my back porch, sunlight is about 1/2 day to each of the two windowed sides during the winter, but falls to less than a quarter day during the summer.
Bob
Bob
Words alone cannot express how this Grow Blog makes me feel ...
..... I did this because i couldn't figure out hoe to delete my post.
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