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Plowing is practically heresy these days. If you want to participate in the federal farm programs (Read: federal $$.) Das plow ist verboten! And pretty much everyone participates in the federal farm programs. Except commercial tobacco growers I'm guessing.

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The subject of "turning the soil" is a curious one. For years, I double-dug my garden beds. So the soil was turned and loosened down to about 24 inches, using a square-edge spade and a turning fork. For growing vegetables, this allows denser planting, and dramatically higher yields. Doing it that way also requires more frequent watering that soaks down through the double-dug zone.

The double-dug gardening technique was promoted by the influential (and now out-of-print) book, How to Grow More Vegetables, by John Jeavons, Ten Speed Press, Berkeley CA, 1974. It discussed and illustrated the principles of what was called Biodynamic/French Intensive gardening. A generation later, the same techniques were dubbed, "Square Foot Gardening." ["Square Foot" does roll off the tongue more easily than "Biodynamic/French Intensive".]

This works miracles for vegetable production, and I recommend it. In addition to the looser, more deeply tilled root zone provided by double-digging, the 5-foot-wide beds allow plantings that are far too dense to walk between, but easy access into the center-line of the bed from the side of the bed. All plants are spaced in a hexagonal pattern using the "within row" spacing of traditional planting methods, while ignoring the "between row" spacing.

Anywhere that you walk regularly (or on which you drive a piece of machinery or a plow horse) compacts the underlying soil, and restricts adequate root growth into that area. By planting in single rows, 1/2 to 2/3 of the soil area of a traditional garden is wasted in these compacted zones--the foot paths. With 5-foot-wide bed planting (and never walking on the bed), only the space between the individual beds is wasted.

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Tobacco grows well in a double-dug bed, with each 5-foot-wide bed holding what may be considered 4 staggered rows of tobacco plants, for whatever the length of bed is dug. The width of spacing between the beds can be whatever you like, and it can be mowed lawn. Because the reach from the side of the bed to the center-line of the bed is only 30 inches, even more densely planted tobacco, such as Orientals with 6-12 inches between plants, can be easily reached for maintenance and harvest. I never get muddy boots from working my tobacco.

Blowdowns
On the negative side, the relatively shallow roots of tobacco (even of huge tobacco plants) never get below that 24" of double-dug, very loose dirt. Tobacco in double-dug beds blows down more easily. I have no doubt about that. Although the softer soil makes standing the blow-downs back to a vertical position considerably easier than in denser soil, I would rather they just not blow down.

So, for my tobacco, I now manually till to only about 12 inches.

Weeds
I've actually tried a no-till method with tobacco. The plants seem to grow a little more slowly than in tilled soil. But weeds are fewer. Tilling soil brings long-dormant weed seeds toward the surface, allowing them to finally germinate. Some weed seeds can sit there, deep in the soil, for 5 years or more, then spring to life when the soil is tilled. That was one of the reasons for burning a freshly tilled field, prior to a final tilling-in of the resulting ash.

No-till does not seem to further reduce blow-downs--the only reason I even tried that method, but does seem to reduce tobacco productivity. In the end, the labor savings in weed reduction from no-till is not worth the decrease in production.

I don't hoe my weeds away. Hoeing (especially with a scraper, like a scuffle hoe) often removes the weeds above the surface, while leaving the deeper weed roots intact. The same weeds just grow back. And with tobacco roots being shallow and close to the surface, I can't really hoe deeply enough to extricate weed roots, once the tobacco plants are about 2 feet tall. So I manually pull the weeds, one by one. I wait for the day after a rain, so the soil is softer. I try to pull each weed with its roots still attached, while the weed is still a tiny baby. These never grow back.

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Field Bindweed, (convolvulus arvensis) a common weed pest around here, seed can lay dormant in the soil for up to 75 years. (Per the research guys at my Alma Mater.)

Interesting piece on the "Square Foot" technique. 24 inches is pretty far down there. It is a provable fact that soil tilth is a really big deal re: productivity. I think I'll confine my deep digging efforts to looking for rocks and minerals! The farthest I've ever gone was nine feet. I was rewarded for my efforts with the nicest large piece I've ever found. A water-clear smoky quartz that weighed 3 1/2 pounds.

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Plowing is practically heresy these days. If you want to participate in the federal farm programs (Read: federal $$.) Das plow ist verboten! And pretty much everyone participates in the federal farm programs. Except commercial tobacco growers I'm guessing.

Wes H.


Plowing is the only way for most tobacco farmers . No till is just not very productive . We still plow our fields for tobacco , vegetables , but no till for corn and soybeans .
By plowing we work up the soil for planting . Then as the crop grows we use a cultivating tractor to keep the weeds from growing in between the rows . A hoe is used for taking weeds from between the plants . If cultivated right there will be little weeds in between the plants as they get covered up with the cultivating tractor .
We have to fill out soil plans for our farms . The government is getting stricter on farmers and how they manage their lands . I believe this to be the big grain farmers fault because they are spraying out high sloped land and planting grain crops .

Don't get me started with those non paying federal programs . I fill out for federal programs to get nothing , I never seem to qualify for , Drought , flood , livestock , etc . I have a long story about FSA but I won't go into that one . They are not friendly and don't want to pay me on any program I fill out for . They sure do call and mail wanting a AG survey . I decline to fill them out anymore .

Bob
Hoeing or cultivating breaks up the roots some and makes them better . They want to grow out / down to find water and more fertilize . I drop my cultivators down 3" to 5" and as close to the plants so they do not pull up out of the ground . I run along side 4" each side of the plants in my rows .
In drought year we cultivate even thought it is dry . Cultivating pulls moisture from down deep and brings it upwards . That won't cure a drought , but helps .
 

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Upwards of 40% of the corn grown in the US is converted to bio-fuel (i.e. ethanol). Most of the recent expansion of US corn production has been on marginal agricultural lands (generally land that is not cost-effective for food production, for any of a number of reasons). The most common approach is to use no-till methods that include herbicides, followed by genetically modified corn that is resistant to that herbicide.

The underlying notion of substituting ethanol for a portion of the gasoline in motor vehicle fuel is to reduce greenhouse gas (GG) emissions. Unfortunately, ethanol production itself now has a powerful lobby to continue its support. This is despite the well documented failure of GG reduction from ethanol produced on marginal lands. The hitch is that there is a series of GG costs to the endeavor that are seldom accounted for:
  • loss of ecosystem services from the marginal land
  • GG emissions from the production of the herbicides used
  • GG emissions from the production and use machinery required to grow on marginal land
  • GG emissions from the chemical process used to convert corn into ethanol
So, yes, farmers are utilizing more previously abandoned or never used land for growing corn.

Soybeans are another surprising matter. Most soybeans produced in the US are not used as food for humans.
NC Soybean Producers Assoc. said:
Soybeans are about 18% oil and 38% protein. Because soybeans are high in protein, they are a major ingredient in livestock feed. Most soybeans are processed for their oil and protein for the animal feed industry. A smaller percentage is processed for human consumption and made into products including soy milk, soy flour, soy protein, tofu and many retail food products. Soybeans are also used in many non-food (industrial) products.
http://ncsoy.org/media-resources/uses-of-soybeans/
The oil is used for everything from plastics to motor oil. Soybeans sound like food to feed the world, but it's mostly used for other things. Soybeans are mostly an industrial commodity, like coal or petroleum.

It's not like there is plenty of land for growing stuff.

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Here during the tobacco boom, as I call it , farmers were plowing up a lot of land . This is why Black shank got kind of bad as some farmers was planting tobacco for years and not letting those fields rest . Now that tobacco has pretty much left , a lot of land is used for hay and cattle . The grain farmers cash rent land for $100 a acre to plant corn or soybeans on .
On my farms I now grow 22 acres for Fish and wild life dove fields ,3.5 Mixed Tobacco 15 acres of silage corn , 40 acres of beans rest is hay , pasture ,or wood land . I have 385 acres of my own and I rent two small farms for grazing and hay . I do miss growing 60 acres of Burley .
 

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My most beautiful plants are the ones that I installed(settled) in my lasagne a plate(patch) of brown cardboard(box), the grass cut by the fragments of branches of trees and by the earth(ground) of molehill by top. But plants are badly anchored in the ground and fall with the wind. If you add to it that my tobaccos pushed under an oak and that falls of acorns(glans) drilled the majority of tobacco leaves, you will know to what extent I am a good gardener lol


Mes plus beaux plants sont ceux que j'ai installé dans mon lasagne... une plaque de carton marron, de l'herbe coupée des débris de branches d'arbres et de la terre de taupinière par dessus. Mais... les plants sont mal ancrés dans le sol et tombent avec le vent. Si vous ajoutez à cela que mes tabacs ont poussé sous un chêne et que la chutes des glands a percé la majorité des feuilles de tabac, vous saurez à quel point je suis un bon jardinier... lol
 

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Thank you Bob...

in my car , i take the bio ethanol 85 it is 0.64 euro... other (petrol ) is 1.38 euro my economy is 3 euros for 100 km or 62 miles... i lost 15 or 20 horses... nothing important !
 

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Home-made Flue-Cured Virginia: mine vs WLT

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The photo above is my yield from 8 plants of Virginia Bright Leaf this season. For use in my pipe blending, this is well over a 1 year supply. The bags are arranged left to right from the bottom of the plant to the top. Only the mud lugs were sun-cured. The rest was flue-cured in a single batch per priming level (per bag).

My stalk position naming:
  • mud lugs (the fliers and trash at the bottom)
  • lugs (roughly the bottom half of the leaf above mud lugs)
  • leaf (most of the top half of the plant, excluding the top 4 or so leaves)
  • tips (the top 3 or 4 or 5 leaves)
Some varieties insist on discernible levels in between these, but this is mostly how I mark my leaf.

It's easy to appreciate that the color (ignoring the sun-cured mud lugs) of the flue-cured leaf progresses from very light yellow to a moderately dark red-brown. I believe that if I had waited longer to prime the upper leaf and tips, I could have achieved a more red and less brown result. But I'm an impatient amateur at flue-curing.

Also notice that the sun-cured mud lugs don't even come close in color to any of the flue-cured batches. [This is also true of my Prancak N-1 this year. The flue-cured leaves from the bottom half of each plant flue-cured to a bright yellow. The sun cured tops are a dull, reddish yellow to reddish brown.]

Along the top of that photo, I've included a couple each of WLT flue-cured Lemon and WLT flue-cured Red Tips. Most of the multi-pound bag of WLT Lemon that I have is darker than my lugs and lower leaf. And the WLT Red Tips are lighter and redder than my uppers and tips.

The WLT flue-cured (unless stated otherwise) is mechanically harvested, since it is destined to be shredded. So the leaf is not as intact as mine, which was harvested and handled in the same manner that I use for my cigar wrappers. Beautifully intact leaves are pretty, but also pretty meaningless after shredding.

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A feature of the WLT flue-cured that catches my eye is the overall consistency of the curing. Mine is more hit or miss. And the WLT leaf is larger than my lovingly nurtured leaf, although that may be attributable to differences in the varieties grown. The WLT is also a bit thicker than mine.

The true test is the tobacco's taste and aroma. The WLT flue-cured carries a more intense flue-cured tobacco aroma than mine. And in a pipe blend, I can tell the difference. The WLT is just better. Sigh.

I am honestly happy with my flue-curing adventures. It gives me flue-cured Virginia that is miles ahead of air-cured Virginia for pipe blending, and substantially better that sun-cured Virginia.

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With no alteration in the flue-curing regimen, beyond the yellowing stage, flue-cured leaf is redder and darker and thicker and richer in aroma as you go up the stalk. While I am satisfied with my flue-cured leaf, both Virginia and Oriental, WLT's flue-cured Virginia is better than my own in all respects except the frequency of a leaf so intact that you might want to frame it and hang it on the living room wall.

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Your flue cured looks like it came out really well.

I actually also got leaves so nice you could frame them or use as wrapper if you wanted to for some reason in the last batch I got from Don but he maintains that is not so. I think he just doesn't want expectations to be so high for something that like you say is destined for a shredder in case future batches don't come out quite so perfect but I dunno.
 

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As you can see in my last photo, that WLT flue-cured leaf is only two tiny tears near the tip from being an intact leaf.

[When framing charges were about $25 for a huge print, it would have been a reasonable thought to frame some tobacco leaves. Today, that one leaf would probably cost over $100 to have framed. I guess I could go with a cheap, poster frame from Walmart, but they don't carry the gravitas of a formal picture frame, maybe with triple-stacked matting and a high, gilded frame.]

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Bob:

Soybeans are the panacea when it comes to various kinds of manufactured food products. Both for human and animal consumption. You can manufacture soybean products into all kinds of useful things. There is a reason soybeans don't enter the human food supply directly. They taste awful! Our grandfather thought they were good for you and he tried to get us to eat them. Yuuuck! You have to doctor them up something fierce to make them even remotely palatable. I don't think my experience was unique, I think most people have a similar reaction to whole soybeans. Hogs, on the other hand, love them. My brother and I had pigs as an FFA project when I was in High School. We fed Soybean meal to the pigs as a supplement to their main food of barley, and they loved it! Turn those soybeans into a nice pork-chop and then they taste pretty good. And of course, humans seem to like soybean based artificial whipped cream...the list of products made with some kind of soybean extract goes on and on.

Also re: ethanol and greenhouse gas emissions. Alleged "clean burning" ethanol produces its own set of undesirable byproducts. Formaldehyde being one of them. Ethanol fuel has less energy than gasoline or diesel, and require more gallons to drive a given distance. Thereby producing more total greenhouse emissions. etc. etc.

But you know...the government is looking out for us all. Every time I hear some politician on the TV use the word "Policy" I want to puke! All the word "policy" means is that there is no law on a given subject, and "we" are just making it up as "we" go. I have a certain professional politician from the southeast in mind as the poster-boy for this phenomenon, but won't use his name here.

Anyway...that's my soapbox for the day.

BigBonner: keep up the good work, and I hope you are rewarded for all your hard work. Farming is a hard way to make a living.

Wes H.
 

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I like soybeans, young in the pod, whole and cooked to be soft with rice, turned into tofu etc etc. Hardly ever eat them though.

I would honestly like to know though if they are healthy or not. Rhetorical question don't try to answer it. It is an answer with many qualifiers and modifiers I guess.

But I do like them. I'm actually hoping to get my hands on the new SDA seeds if they ever make it into the broader market.
 

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I've heard that young soybeans in the pod are tasty. Since no one grows them around here, they aren't generally available. Soybeans will grow around here, it has been done successfully. But there is no market around here. Shipping them to the midwest where there is a market is prohibitive. Our farmers grow a lot of chickpeas aka: garbanzo beans around here locally. I think a lot of these end up in the export market. Chewy and bland, but highly nutritious. My college roommate tried to poison me with his falafel once. Nothing wrong with the chickpeas, but he put so much garlic in his mix I spent the rest of the night with indigestion. I never ate his cooking experiments again.

All leguminous grains are high in protein and equally high in food value. We studied the legumes extensively in college. The Palouse country to the north of us grows 80-90% of all the lentils produced in the US. Pullman Wa. has a Lentil festival every fall. Lentils make wonderful soups and casseroles! I've been known to make a sausage (or ham-hock) and lentil soup that is very tasty. Mmm...winter comfort food. Beans, like the Pinto and navy bean types have been a staple crop in the irrigated country in Central Washington since the 1950's. If you go to a store that sells larger bags of beans, they probably say "Othello, Washington" somewhere on the label.

Do you know why beans give a lot of people gas? There is a serious as well as humorous answer to this.

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Not only tofu, which in the end is processing soybeans, but also tempe, which is much more 'actual soybeans', is very popular in Indonesia.
Here's a little read on tempe. If prepared well, tempe can be really delicious. Personally I prefer tempe to tofu, but tofu is really nice when hollowed and filled with tauge.
 

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Yes that's right, that's what holds it together. Smells interesting, tastes great.
Makes it possible to cut the tempe up in any which way you like.
Some slice 'em really small, others tall and thin.
 

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I've thought of making tempeh before but never did, I read that's some common random spore in Indonesia and the temperature is perfect for making it there so here we have to duplicate the temp and source the spores. Another use for the kiln in between runs that I never thought about before now.
 
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