Robncars Growing in ND

[deluxestogie]

Tobacco Seeds - Golden Seal Special Burley
Tobacco Seeds - Brown Leaf Dark Air / Fire
Tobacco Seeds - Greenwood Dark Air / Fire
Tobacco Seeds - Tennessee Dark Air Cured
Tobacco Seeds - Burley
Tobacco Seeds - Virginia Gold
Tobacco Seeds - Sm Black Mammoth
Tobacco Seeds - Black Sea Samsun Turkish
Tobacco Seeds - Connecticut Shade Leaf
Tobacco Seeds - Havana
Tobacco Seeds - Connecticut Broadleaf
Tobacco Seeds - Virginia Brightleaf
Tobacco Seeds - Perique

Oh, that's easy. It's not a Havana type.

Bob

 

[stdly]

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Nice I never really looked at a tobacco flower that close before it is beautiful.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Oh, that's easy. It's not a Havana type.

Bob

Why is it not a Havana type? White flowers?

 

[deluxestogie]

It has pink flowers. The leaf tips strike me as too acute for any Havana I've grown. But I have by no means grown them all.

Bob

 

[Robncars]

Im pretty sure its a burley. Thats all I can remember though

 

[deluxestogie]

Im pretty sure its a burley. Thats all I can remember though

Although you can't really save seed meaningfully from an unidentified burley, all burley is handled and used in the same way.

Bob

 

[Robncars]

I have about 10 pictures to go with this story but I have questions.
I am wondering if its something I did or seed related.
My ideas are
1. These are the urea stunted plants.
2. Too much fertilizer in these. They had natural fertilizer and I over did it.
3. Something I missed.
Or is it seed related. Is it a cross, a different tobacco, or a bad seed maybe.
If anyone has a guess.
And finally after looking through everything should I just throw those plants out.

 

[Robncars]

I didn't wash these two yet. The leaves are thick like full grain cowhide. You could make a decent belt out of them!



These show that same ( "frenching" maybe) washed these though. Better looking plants but top leaves look funny. Not filling out.


Wider views of the "good" side of the patch.


Different plants with some frenching.


A couple plants with bad leaves are taller but most are stunted at 16" to 30". Most of my plants are around 4' right now. A few exceptions that look healthy.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

I think what I'm seeing is general stunted growth. I wonder about the soil under the tires. Was it fully tilled and loose, or did you just stack tires and fill them?

 

[plantdude]

I'm almost thinking overwatered compact/clay soil with that amount of frenching going on. If the plants showing the worst symptoms are getting the most shade (or water) that could likely be the culprit.
Sometimes some of the organic fertilizers can be high in salts too (I thoght that was going on with some of my organic kelp fertilizer one year in the garden) so that may be something to watch out for as well.

 

[deluxestogie]

I agree that "general" stunted growth is pretty much all that I can glean from the photos. Way too many variables, and no controls. If you do everything in exactly the same way that I do, then I can usually identify more possible explanations for a particular outcome. The more your steps along the way diverge from my personal experience, the more baffled I become. But clearly, the leaves show malnutrition.

Soil pH is always a major factor, and is always a total mystery, until you measure it. Fertilizers of various sorts contain (or lack) different essential and detrimental components. AND they may alter the soil pH in different directions. Patterns of watering, as well as drainage of that water and the drainage rate alter pH and concentrations of nutrients. Lots of variables.

Bob

 

[Robncars]

I think what I'm seeing is general stunted growth. I wonder about the soil under the tires. Was it fully tilled and loose, or did you just stack tires and fill them?

I tilled the whole garden -3 with a mini excavator then filled the tires

 

[plantdude]

I can till my clay down here all I want. If I don't mix a decent amount of organic matter in it's just as hard and compact after it gets wet once. Don't know if that is the case in your area. The first plant almost looks like it has some disease or serious root issues going on with the darker colored leaves. It's not an overwatered rustica is it?

I've got frenching going on with some of my potted (in potting soil) and ground grown plants. I'm keeping mine on the moist side and most are getting too much shade. I think that's my main issue. The only other shared factor seems to be minor aphid infestations that come and go. Some of the plants have grown out of it with their new leaves, since I've trimmed the trees back a bit and going lighter on the water lately - don't know if that is a coincidence or not.

On the plus side a lot of your plants are looking pretty good.

 

[Robncars]

I'm almost thinking overwatered compact/clay soil with that amount of frenching going on. If the plants showing the worst symptoms are getting the most shade (or water) that could likely be the culprit.
Sometimes some of the organic fertilizers can be high in salts too (I thoght that was going on with some of my organic kelp fertilizer one year in the garden) so that may be something to watch out for as well.

No real shade in the area and I used the urea free fertilizer all summer.

 

[Robncars]

Would it be better to just pull those out and not waste any more of my time on those?

 

[deluxestogie]

Would it be better to just pull those out and not waste any more of my time on those?

If they actually require a substantial amount of your time, then which specific plants / varieties are you talking about? If it's just a matter letting them grow, I would wait and see.

Bob

 

[Oldfella]

I didn't wash these two yet. The leaves are thick like full grain cowhide. You could make a decent belt out of them!
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These show that same ( "frenching" maybe) washed these though. Better looking plants but top leaves look funny. Not filling out.
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Wider views of the "good" side of the patch.
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Different plants with some frenching.
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A couple plants with bad leaves are taller but most are stunted at 16" to 30". Most of my plants are around 4' right now. A few exceptions that look healthy.

Just wonder if maybe something is leaching Out of the tires. I've used tires myself way back, a favorite trick was to plant a potato and build tire upon tire, you can get a great crop. I have no idea what is in the modern tire but the old ones were rubber. May warrant a look at, or might not.
Oldfella

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

I was just going to reassure you that there's lots of time.... Crap. I only have two to four weeks before first frost. Oh dear.

I can't comment on tires and contamination. I've never thought about it and I assumed you were comfortable with it from the start.

 

[skychaser]

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Just wonder if maybe something is leaching Out of the tires. I've used tires myself way back, a favorite trick was to plant a potato and build tire upon tire, you can get a great crop. I have no idea what is in the modern tire but the old ones were rubber. May warrant a look at, or might not.
Oldfella

Exactly my thought. All kinds of crap leech out of old tires. It was discussed here, or possibly in another forum where I lurk a few months ago. I would never eat anything grown in one.

I was just going to reassure you that there's lots of time.... Crap. I only have two to four weeks before first frost. Oh dear.

It's coming up fast for me too. My average first frost date in Sept 10

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Exactly my thought. All kinds of crap leech out of old tires. It was discussed here, or possibly in another forum where I lurk a few months ago. I would never eat anything grown in one.


It's coming up fast for me too. My average first frost date in Sept 11

My biggest concern is I just moved and I still haven't set up a means to properly cure. Face-palm.